False Prophets pt. 4 “The Mormon Blogosphere”

Recently, I came across a passage in the New Testament, one which has truly come to reflect our current-day situation:

There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” 1 Cor 14:10

Right now there are many voices in the world. So many different opinions about Mormonism– each with their own slant on what is happening.

They are all significant.

Even if they are wrong, they are still significant.

This post is about all the Mormon blogs I follow, and my thoughts pertaining to each.

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  1. http://puremormonism.blogspot.ca/

This has probably been my favorite blog over the past few years. It’s written by a very humble follower of Christ, someone by the name of Rock Waterman. His latest piece, however, is what inspired me to begin a review of his work, as well as others like him.

His latest piece is called, “On the High Road to Apostasy” which highlights many reasons why the LDS church is… well, on a high road to apostasy.

Everything in his post is correct. But this is what he’s been saying for 5+ years!

The LDS church is still his focal point. During his excommunication, Rock was shocked by what was happening. It took him by total surprise that they ex’d him in such an unsound and unscriptural manner.

But if the church is in apostasy, of course they aren’t going to be following the scriptures! He has been ex’d for over a year now, yet he still writes about the LDS church…

Nothing can be done about the church. Its bed has been made. This is the failing of Pure Mormonism.

Once you understand the prophetic events that are about to take place, the LDS church takes a backseat. Being excommunicated should be an eye-opener, a blessing, not a conondrum.

Rock is a wonderful man, and I love how valiant he has been in his search for truth. I believe that he will accept True Prophets when they arrive on scene. The only thing that stands between him and God is Denver Snuffer.

  1. http://www.totheremnant.com/

This is an incredible blog. Believe it or not, I have learned a lot from Adrian Larsen’s writings. He focuses on the scriptures and digs up hidden truths that everyone else seems to bypass.

His wife gave a talk at the Denver Snuffer Doctrine Conference; and it was awesome to discover that she is just as sharp as her husband, in some ways even more so. Her talk in fact brought tears to my eyes.

[update: I was informed by the author of To The Remnant, that the speaker at the Doctrine of Christ conference was not his [Adrian Larsen’s] wife, but his brother’s.]

These two are deeply commited to the cause of Christ, and have the best intentions of any.

How the Larsen’s happen to believe in Denver Snuffer as a prophet is not a huge shocker. Denver’s message appeals to the pure in heart– to those that truly want to live a Christ-like life.

Forget the church, follow Christ.”

This is the right message. And this is what attracts people to Denver Snuffer. However, Denver’s ministry is not in accordance to scriptural prophecy. That’s what makes him a danger to people’s salvation.

There are people who hold the belief that they can live the fulness of the gospel– as taught by DS. This is incorrect.

The fulness is not on the earth– and so long as people believe they are living it, this will become a huge stumbling-block.

  1. https://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/

This is a fascinating blog. The Anarchist is one of the most colorful personalities in Mormondom. He claims to be a prophet. Has many revelations, dreams, visions etc. all of which I find very fascinating.

Every post of his I am excited to read. He is full of light and truth. However, he happens to also be deceived on a number of issues.

In some areas of the scriptures, he is light years ahead of most. But like the Larsen’s, he has stumbling-blocks of his own.

He believes that there will be “Josephite” prophet from Lehi’s seed, who will be the major player in the last days. The Anarchist believes that this guy is the one mighty and strong who will gather the tribes of Israel and bring about Zion.

His failure to rethink this will prevent him from further understanding.

Because he considers himself a prophet, his beliefs are “revelations” that came from God. Because of this, he finds himself in no position to doubt or question those revelations. He has to stay true to his spiritual experiences which are what sustain his journey of faith.

Like those caught up in the grand delusion of the LDS church, the Anarchist must also recognize he has been deceived the same way all of us have been led astray.

Just as Mormons must discard their spirtual experiences that “the church is true” the Anarchist must discard his own.

Every single one of us has been deceived, and will continue to be to deceived until the fulness of the priesthood returns to the earth. However, the Anarchist has lots to offer, and I highly recommend reading through his writings.

  1. http://greatandmarvelouswork.com/

There seems to be multiple authors who contribute to this blog. It contains very similar information that I, Watcher, and Searcher, have highlited on our blogs. [ https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/https://onewhoissearching.com/ ]

The biggest difference between this blog and the three of ours is the rejection of the Doctrine and Covenants.

The authors of “The Great and Marvelous Work” have been influenced by the writings of David Whitmer. Like Whitmer, they have concluded that Joseph Smith was commanded by God to only bring forth the Book of Mormon, and that everything else that followed was Joseph going beyond his bounds.

After reading David Whitmer’s “An Address to All Believers in Christ” I can empathize as to why they have made their dire conclusions.

It would make matters very simple to write off the LDS church as a whole.

However, to deny the revelations of Jesus Christ as contained in the D&C is a rejection of God’s word.

This is a big deal.

The Doctrine and Covenants is a very important canon of scripture. It is absolutely indispensible.

  1. http://www.defendingjoseph.com/

Similar to denying the D&C, the author of “In Defense of Joseph” has denied that Joseph was ever involved with the principle of polygamy.

Again, it would make matters very simple to adopt this frame of thought. Oh how great it would be to believe that Joseph was innocent of polygamy…

I, myself, believed this at one point.

There has been much good research done defending this. Richard and Pamela Price, for instance, have done a great job at presenting the case that Brigham Young & others began the practice, not Joseph.

Just as David Whitmer gives a plausible case for the denial of the D&C, there is a plausible case for a monogamist-Joseph Smith.

These are significant voices.

Everyone must study the evidence and prayerfully consider these perspectives.

I am of the belief that one must accept that Joseph stopped abiding in the Lord in order for them to fully understand the secret history of Mormonism. I believe that those who believe him to be innocent are under the influence of a very seductive false spirit.

It feels good to believe that Joseph is innocent.

I understand this, and empathize with those who hold this position. The secular evidence is not entirely conclusive.

My belief that Joseph was guilty of polygamy– comitting treachery against the wife of his youth– is rooted from biblical and modern prophecy pertaining to him.

  1. http://anonymousbishop.com/

This is a site much like Adrian Larsen’s, To The Remnant.

AB has a knack for writing some great stuff. But like Larsen, the Anonymous Bishop is caught up in the Denver delusion. It is very rare that he even makes mention of DS, but he has alluded to him just enough times to make it clear that he DOES believe Denver Snuffer to be a true messenger.

Not only does AB write good articles, the comments sections explode with great discussion, to which I even chime in.

  1. https://zomarah.wordpress.com/

Like the Anonymous Bishop is similar to To the Remnant, this blog is very similar to Pure Mormonism.

Zomarah and Rock continue to insistently write about the LDS church. All of its problems and issues.

The fact of the matter is that there are literally hundreds of problems and none of it is ever going to change.

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This brings me to the reason I decided to write this post.

I believe that I have the answers to which all of these other voices are seeking, or claim to have found.

I believe I have the missing pieces.

My next post, which will be titled “Mysteries of the Kingdom pt. 3”, will outline exactly what is going to occur in the near future, by detailing where we are in the prophetic timeline, as recorded in the Book of Revelation.

I believe if you have an understanding of prophecy, the problems in the church will become irrelevent to you, same with Denver Snuffer.

[Not only will DS appear irrelevent, but dangerous even.]

Lastly, I want to return back to the original scripture I shared:

There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” 1 Cor 14:10

Remember that God has ordained all of these conflicting voices, and they all have a very important place.

Rock Waterman opened my eyes to many issues about the LDS church; Denver Snuffer even taught me many things– albeit years ago.

It’s up to each of us to figure out the truth in between all of them.

When the Lord brings again Zion, his watchmen will finally see eye to eye. (Isaiah 52:8) Until then, we must be very, very careful–

because none of us will see on the exact same page until then.

My hope is that my next post will be of great use to those seeking the truth. Even if someone may disagree with everything else I’ve written, I think my next post will be very important regardless.

I don’t mean to sound prideful and arrogant. I don’t have all the answers, and I certainly am no more righteous than the next person.

All I mean to say is that these voices in the Mormon blogosphere are deeply flawed in one way or another.

My next post will prove this.

My next post will provide the keys to avoid being deceived by false prophets– in and out of the LDS church.

I of course challenge anyone who happens to read it to find flaws therein. If I am wrong, I will gladly change my paradigm.

I seek the truth and nothing else. This has nothing to do with me. I have been wrong in my life about nearly everything. I’m not afraid to be wrong again. We must all be humble and willing to rethink our beliefs.

-G.azelem

False Prophets pt. 3 “Second Comforter Prophets”

I’ve been following Denver Snuffer for years now. Much of what he has written is legitimate and thoughtful. If it was anyone but him, I’d be impressed by his thoughts and ideas. However, DS claims that he has been taught by Jesus Christ.

With claims like that, there comes a greater expectation. Because of this, I have carefully scrutinized both him and his teachings. In fact, he has demanded that everyone do this. Read this:

I have never said this publicly, but because of what I think will ensue after this talk I am going to say it, not for my sake, and certainly not for the sake of anyone who believes the truth or who has the Spirit, but I say it only to benefit those who may view things completely otherwise. 9 The Lord has said to me in His own voice, “I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you.” Therefore, I want to caution those who disagree with me, to feel free, to feel absolutely free to make the case against what I say. Feel free to disagree, and make your contrary arguments. If you believe I err, then expose the error and denounce it. But take care; take care about what you say concerning me for your sake, not for mine. I live with constant criticism. I can take it. But I do not want you provoking Divine ire by unfortunately chosen words if I can persuade you against it.
–Lecture 10

Yikes.

I remember reading this on my mission, when the lectures were first transcribed onto denversnuffer.com; and I want it known that I took what he said very seriously. Everyone should– because if Denver really has been called to deliver a message from God, we of course need to heed and obey, or thus be damned instead.

Since then I have found numerous reasons to reject Denver Snuffer and thus classify him as a false prophet.

The biggest reason is this next claim of his, delivered in the same lecture as the last paragraph I’ve already included:

Thereafter, I appealed to the First Presidency, outlining the involvement of the 12 and the 70. The appeal gave notice to them all. The appeal was summarily denied. Last general conference, the entire First Presidency, the 12, the 70, and all other general authorities and auxiliaries, voted to sustain those who abused their authority in casting me out of the church. At that moment, the Lord ended all claims of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to claim it is led by the priesthood.
–Lecture 10

According to DS, during the general conference of April 2014, all claims of priesthood in the LDS church became void. A very bold thing to say. Did this happen? He is either correct, or he is wrong. Remember, he is being tutored by Jesus Christ, and angels– so he better know what he’s talking about.

So does the LDS church still have the priesthood?

No, it doesn’t.

But this has nothing to do with Denver Snuffer.

Since 1841, the church has only held one of the three orders of priesthood. So in April 2014, there was nothing important to lose.

[The church only contains the Aaronic priesthood– until the sons of Levi AGAIN offer unto the Lord an offering of righteousness.]

Apologist’s of Denver may contest me and say that Denver was not saying that the church lost the Melchizedek or Patriarchal, but simply lost whatever priesthood it had– but that would be to deny all of Denver’s previous teachings on priesthood.

In 2009, Denver had this to say:

The Church holds the sealing power as a part of the restoration of all things… Joseph commented on three degrees of priesthood: Aaronic, Melchizedek and Patriarchal… The Church possesses and administers all three. Those who have their callings and election made sure also hold all three.
–Beloved Enos

Denver has clearly taught that the church held all three priesthoods. Once you understand the simple matter that the fulness of the priesthood was lost in 1835 to never be restored, all his points fall flat.

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Just as you can surmise the LDS teachings into one simple concept– “follow the prophet”– the same thing can be done with Denver:

“You can receive the second comforter.”

A recent development I’ve had with my own understanding of the gospel is that there is actually no such thing as a second comforter.

There is only the Comforter.

I’ve realized the whole concept of Denver’s teachings have been built on a faulty premise; and that everyone teaching or believing in a “second” Comforter have been deceived.

And yes– I know that Joseph Smith apparently did teach that there was a second Comforter, but that wouldn’t be the first thing he got wrong. I think the scriptures speak for themselves.

John 14-17 contain many marvelous and deep teachings. In my opinion, it’s there that we find the meat of the gospel.

We read in Hebrews that the meat of the gospel is only for those that have learned to discern between good and evil. Therefore, I think that anyone that misinterprets the deeper teachings of Christ, have not used the milk of the gospel to deliver themselves from doing and practicing evil. Only until someone sheds their false beliefs will they then understand the true essence of what the gospel of Jesus Christ is really saying.

I do not believe myself to be completely exempt. Even the humble followers of Christ are deceived in one way or another. I do not think I am 100% right about anything, but I do think that I have learned to discern between good and evil.

That said, I wouldn’t want anyone taking my word for anything. Same with Joseph Smith, or anyone else. We need to go back to the word of God and discover what it actually says about a given subject.

No matter what religion we grew up with, we all have been brainwashed and indoctrinated to believe falsehoods.

For instance, I never would have thought to question the concept of the second Comforter. I’ve been seriously studying the scriptures for years, but not once had it ever crossed my mind to doubt whether or not there even is a second Comforter. That’s how deeply ingrained it is in LDS thought.

Over the last few years, I’ve had to slowly peel away all the false teachings I’ve grown up with.

Here is why I reject the second Comforter, and all those that espouse it:

In John 14 we read,

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth;

Here the Comforter is referred to as the Spirit of truth. This is the “other” Comforter that people believe is not the Holy Ghost, but Jesus Christ. The reason people think that it is not the Holy Ghost, is because the word “another” is placed there. I admit that this does make it appear as though there is a distinction. However, I think the key is that the Comforter referred to in verse 16 is associated with being the Spirit of truth.

With that said, take a look at John 15:

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.

This verse does not support the second comforter doctrine. When you discard that idea, the theology behind the Holy Ghost begins to make much more sense.

We know that the Holy Ghost was not given while Jesus was on the earth. It was only until he was glorified that the Holy Ghost/endowment/baptism of fire was finally bestowed on his followers– on the day of Pentecost.

The Spirit of truth is not the personage of Jesus Christ.

Returning back to John 15:

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Students of the Bible have believed that verse 27 is only referring to the fact that the apostles of Jesus have been with him from the beginning of his ministry.

Modern revelation reveals the deeper meaning of what Jesus was saying.

Section 93:

21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;

22 And all those who are begotten through me are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.

23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;

Receiving the Spirit of truth– the fulness of the Holy Ghost, the one and only Comforter– is associated with being a member of the church of the Firstborn. If my assumptions are correct, those that will receive the Spirit of truth were the ones that were with Jesus Christ, who was with the Father, in the very, very beginning…

Back to John 14:

20 At that day [that you receive the Comforter] ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

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I think whether or not someone correctly understands these passages or not, defines whether or not they really were with Jesus in the beginning, whether or not they are “of God” like Jesus was.

-G.azelem