Houses of God pt. 5 “The Temple of Doom”

It’s pathetic just how excited I get about the Snufferite movement and all their ridiculous attempts to please God.

They now have a Temple Fund– on gofundme.com no less!

https://www.gofundme.com/the-temple-fund-project

Oh boy here we go…

Those following Snuffer– and yes they are following him– have some serious blind spots.

I have laid out every reason why the Snufferite movement is not God setting his hand again the second time…

I have not received a single rebuttal. The snufferites love their prophet and the fuzzys they get listening to his BS.

Denver Snuffer is Satan’s modern day masterpiece.

A polygamy preaching racist like James Harmston isn’t gonna do the trick anymore.

You need someone who claims Joseph never commited polygamy…

That’s the kind of thing that believing Mormons need to hear if they’re gonna leave the corporate LDS church.

[With that said, I don’t actually care if anyone stays or leaves the LDS church.]

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This post I am going to explain why Snuffer’s temple is BS.

Is this going to change the mind of any potential Snufferite??

Nope–

they are just like the Mormons who refuse to read anti-Mormonism because it might damage their testimonies…

But for someone like me, who years ago was torn between all the many voices in the world, I think it may prove useful.

Before reading any further, please take a look at the previous posts I’ve done about temples:

Part One: the fulness of the gospel

https://theworkofthefather.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-1/

Part Two: Kirtland

https://theworkofthefather.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-2-kirtland/

Part Three: Nauvoo

https://theworkofthefather.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-3-nauvoo/

Part Four: the redemption of zion

https://theworkofthefather.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-4-the-redemption-of-zion/

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I feel like I need to reiterate something very important that I covered in Part Three of this series.

A huge controversy in Mormondom is whether or not the church was rejected by God.

Did the Saints finish the temple in Nauvoo or did they not?

I made the case that they didn’t. But I also made the case that it was never the temple that they were commanded to build in time.

They were commanded to build the Nauvoo House! That DEFINITELY wasn’t built in time; it basically wasn’t built at all – LOL

Honestly, I am very quite proud of the series I wrote. I wrote those on my mission. It still boggles me how I was able to wrap my mind around the temple controversies.

Anyway, enough gloating.

Why is it significant that it was the House not the Temple being commanded in Section 124?

Because the Snufferites still don’t know the difference between the two!

This proves that Denver doesn’t know what he is talking about; and his attempt to build a “temple” will not be in accordance with God’s will.

I have explained the difference and meaning between the houses of God.

House of God = for ordinations to fulness of priesthood (and baptisms for dead)

House/Temple of God = for sanctification

If Denver was legit, he would be building a *House of God, not a temple, to ordain people to the fulness of the priesthood.

THEN they would build a house/temple to receive sanctification which would enable them to be in the presence of the Lord.

They should be creating a fund for both a House and a Temple to receive the fulness of the gospel.

However, Denver claims he already holds the fulness of the priesthood AND he claims he’s already seen our Lord…

What an idiot. What’s the temple even for?

Oh yeah, a stupid masonic cermony…

I’m now going to break down Section 124 in detail to prove what should be obvious.

23 And it shall be for a house for boarding, a house [the Nauvoo House] that strangers [seed of Abraham/strangers in a strange land] may come from afar to lodge therein; therefore let it be a good house, worthy of all acceptation, that the weary traveler may find health and safety while he shall contemplate the word of the Lord; and the cornerstone I have appointed for Zion.

24 This house shall be a healthful habitation if it be built unto my name, and if the governor which shall be appointed unto it shall not suffer any pollution to come upon it. It shall be holy, or the Lord your God will not dwell therein.

25 And again, verily I say unto you, let all my saints come from afar.

26 And send ye swift messengers, yea, chosen messengers, and say unto them: Come ye, with all your gold, and your silver, and your precious stones, and with all your antiquities; and with all who have knowledge of antiquities, that will come, may come, and bring the box tree, and the fir tree, and the pine tree, together with all the precious trees of the earth;

27 And with iron, with copper, and with brass, and with zinc, and with all your precious things of the earth; and build a house to my name, for the Most High to dwell therein.

28 For there is not a place found on earth that he may come to and restore again that which was lost unto you, or which he hath taken away, even the fulness of the priesthood. [still referring to the Nauvoo House!]

29 For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—

30 For this ordinance belongeth to my house, [Nauvoo House….] and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me. [Saints no longer in poverty; therefore, they must build the temple before performing baptisms for the dead and/or receiving the fulness of the priesthood.]

31 But I command you, all ye my saints, to build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; and during this time your baptisms shall be acceptable unto me. [during this time regular baptisms are acceptable, NOT baptisms for the dead]

32 But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable unto me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead, saith the Lord your God.

33 For verily I say unto you, that after you have had sufficient time to build a house to me, wherein the ordinance of baptizing for the dead belongeth, and for which the same was instituted from before the foundation of the world, your baptisms for your dead cannot be acceptable unto me;

34 For therein are the keys of the holy priesthood ordained, that you may receive honor and glory.

35 And after this time, your baptisms for the dead, by those who are scattered abroad, [the future LDS church] are not acceptable unto me, saith the Lord.

Okay….

To me it is clear as day that this is the Nauvoo House not the Nauvoo Temple. There is no change of subject at any point in those verses. One more piece of evidence is verse 22, “Let my servant George, and my servant Lyman, and my servant John Snider, and others, build a house unto my name, such a one as my servant Joseph shall show unto them, upon the place which he SHALL show unto them also.”

Before Section 124 was received, they were already building the Nauvoo Temple.

The Nauvoo House needed to be shown them!

Verses 51-55 refer to the Nauvoo Temple.

Then Verse 56 goes on and talks about the Nauvoo House for another thirty verses… That’s what Section 124 teaches. What does Denver teach?

Snufferites, where are you?

Tell me where I’m wrong.

-G.azelem

False Prophets pt. 4 “The Mormon Blogosphere”

Recently, I came across a passage in the New Testament, one which has truly come to reflect our current-day situation:

There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” 1 Cor 14:10

Right now there are many voices in the world. So many different opinions about Mormonism– each with their own slant on what is happening.

They are all significant.

Even if they are wrong, they are still significant.

This post is about all the Mormon blogs I follow, and my thoughts pertaining to each.

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  1. http://puremormonism.blogspot.ca/

This has probably been my favorite blog over the past few years. It’s written by a very humble follower of Christ, someone by the name of Rock Waterman. His latest piece, however, is what inspired me to begin a review of his work, as well as others like him.

His latest piece is called, “On the High Road to Apostasy” which highlights many reasons why the LDS church is… well, on a high road to apostasy.

Everything in his post is correct. But this is what he’s been saying for 5+ years!

The LDS church is still his focal point. During his excommunication, Rock was shocked by what was happening. It took him by total surprise that they ex’d him in such an unsound and unscriptural manner.

But if the church is in apostasy, of course they aren’t going to be following the scriptures! He has been ex’d for over a year now, yet he still writes about the LDS church…

Nothing can be done about the church. Its bed has been made. This is the failing of Pure Mormonism.

Once you understand the prophetic events that are about to take place, the LDS church takes a backseat. Being excommunicated should be an eye-opener, a blessing, not a conondrum.

Rock is a wonderful man, and I love how valiant he has been in his search for truth. I believe that he will accept True Prophets when they arrive on scene. The only thing that stands between him and God is Denver Snuffer.

  1. http://www.totheremnant.com/

This is an incredible blog. Believe it or not, I have learned a lot from Adrian Larsen’s writings. He focuses on the scriptures and digs up hidden truths that everyone else seems to bypass.

His wife gave a talk at the Denver Snuffer Doctrine Conference; and it was awesome to discover that she is just as sharp as her husband, in some ways even more so. Her talk in fact brought tears to my eyes.

[update: I was informed by the author of To The Remnant, that the speaker at the Doctrine of Christ conference was not his [Adrian Larsen’s] wife, but his brother’s.]

These two are deeply commited to the cause of Christ, and have the best intentions of any.

How the Larsen’s happen to believe in Denver Snuffer as a prophet is not a huge shocker. Denver’s message appeals to the pure in heart– to those that truly want to live a Christ-like life.

Forget the church, follow Christ.”

This is the right message. And this is what attracts people to Denver Snuffer. However, Denver’s ministry is not in accordance to scriptural prophecy. That’s what makes him a danger to people’s salvation.

There are people who hold the belief that they can live the fulness of the gospel– as taught by DS. This is incorrect.

The fulness is not on the earth– and so long as people believe they are living it, this will become a huge stumbling-block.

  1. https://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/

This is a fascinating blog. The Anarchist is one of the most colorful personalities in Mormondom. He claims to be a prophet. Has many revelations, dreams, visions etc. all of which I find very fascinating.

Every post of his I am excited to read. He is full of light and truth. However, he happens to also be deceived on a number of issues.

In some areas of the scriptures, he is light years ahead of most. But like the Larsen’s, he has stumbling-blocks of his own.

He believes that there will be “Josephite” prophet from Lehi’s seed, who will be the major player in the last days. The Anarchist believes that this guy is the one mighty and strong who will gather the tribes of Israel and bring about Zion.

His failure to rethink this will prevent him from further understanding.

Because he considers himself a prophet, his beliefs are “revelations” that came from God. Because of this, he finds himself in no position to doubt or question those revelations. He has to stay true to his spiritual experiences which are what sustain his journey of faith.

Like those caught up in the grand delusion of the LDS church, the Anarchist must also recognize he has been deceived the same way all of us have been led astray.

Just as Mormons must discard their spirtual experiences that “the church is true” the Anarchist must discard his own.

Every single one of us has been deceived, and will continue to be to deceived until the fulness of the priesthood returns to the earth. However, the Anarchist has lots to offer, and I highly recommend reading through his writings.

  1. http://greatandmarvelouswork.com/

There seems to be multiple authors who contribute to this blog. It contains very similar information that I, Watcher, and Searcher, have highlited on our blogs. [ https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/https://onewhoissearching.com/ ]

The biggest difference between this blog and the three of ours is the rejection of the Doctrine and Covenants.

The authors of “The Great and Marvelous Work” have been influenced by the writings of David Whitmer. Like Whitmer, they have concluded that Joseph Smith was commanded by God to only bring forth the Book of Mormon, and that everything else that followed was Joseph going beyond his bounds.

After reading David Whitmer’s “An Address to All Believers in Christ” I can empathize as to why they have made their dire conclusions.

It would make matters very simple to write off the LDS church as a whole.

However, to deny the revelations of Jesus Christ as contained in the D&C is a rejection of God’s word.

This is a big deal.

The Doctrine and Covenants is a very important canon of scripture. It is absolutely indispensible.

  1. http://www.defendingjoseph.com/

Similar to denying the D&C, the author of “In Defense of Joseph” has denied that Joseph was ever involved with the principle of polygamy.

Again, it would make matters very simple to adopt this frame of thought. Oh how great it would be to believe that Joseph was innocent of polygamy…

I, myself, believed this at one point.

There has been much good research done defending this. Richard and Pamela Price, for instance, have done a great job at presenting the case that Brigham Young & others began the practice, not Joseph.

Just as David Whitmer gives a plausible case for the denial of the D&C, there is a plausible case for a monogamist-Joseph Smith.

These are significant voices.

Everyone must study the evidence and prayerfully consider these perspectives.

I am of the belief that one must accept that Joseph stopped abiding in the Lord in order for them to fully understand the secret history of Mormonism. I believe that those who believe him to be innocent are under the influence of a very seductive false spirit.

It feels good to believe that Joseph is innocent.

I understand this, and empathize with those who hold this position. The secular evidence is not entirely conclusive.

My belief that Joseph was guilty of polygamy– comitting treachery against the wife of his youth– is rooted from biblical and modern prophecy pertaining to him.

  1. http://anonymousbishop.com/

This is a site much like Adrian Larsen’s, To The Remnant.

AB has a knack for writing some great stuff. But like Larsen, the Anonymous Bishop is caught up in the Denver delusion. It is very rare that he even makes mention of DS, but he has alluded to him just enough times to make it clear that he DOES believe Denver Snuffer to be a true messenger.

Not only does AB write good articles, the comments sections explode with great discussion, to which I even chime in.

  1. https://zomarah.wordpress.com/

Like the Anonymous Bishop is similar to To the Remnant, this blog is very similar to Pure Mormonism.

Zomarah and Rock continue to insistently write about the LDS church. All of its problems and issues.

The fact of the matter is that there are literally hundreds of problems and none of it is ever going to change.

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This brings me to the reason I decided to write this post.

I believe that I have the answers to which all of these other voices are seeking, or claim to have found.

I believe I have the missing pieces.

My next post, which will be titled “Mysteries of the Kingdom pt. 3”, will outline exactly what is going to occur in the near future, by detailing where we are in the prophetic timeline, as recorded in the Book of Revelation.

I believe if you have an understanding of prophecy, the problems in the church will become irrelevent to you, same with Denver Snuffer.

[Not only will DS appear irrelevent, but dangerous even.]

Lastly, I want to return back to the original scripture I shared:

There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.” 1 Cor 14:10

Remember that God has ordained all of these conflicting voices, and they all have a very important place.

Rock Waterman opened my eyes to many issues about the LDS church; Denver Snuffer even taught me many things– albeit years ago.

It’s up to each of us to figure out the truth in between all of them.

When the Lord brings again Zion, his watchmen will finally see eye to eye. (Isaiah 52:8) Until then, we must be very, very careful–

because none of us will see on the exact same page until then.

My hope is that my next post will be of great use to those seeking the truth. Even if someone may disagree with everything else I’ve written, I think my next post will be very important regardless.

I don’t mean to sound prideful and arrogant. I don’t have all the answers, and I certainly am no more righteous than the next person.

All I mean to say is that these voices in the Mormon blogosphere are deeply flawed in one way or another.

My next post will prove this.

My next post will provide the keys to avoid being deceived by false prophets– in and out of the LDS church.

I of course challenge anyone who happens to read it to find flaws therein. If I am wrong, I will gladly change my paradigm.

I seek the truth and nothing else. This has nothing to do with me. I have been wrong in my life about nearly everything. I’m not afraid to be wrong again. We must all be humble and willing to rethink our beliefs.

-G.azelem

False Prophets pt. 3 “Second Comforter Prophets”

I’ve been following Denver Snuffer for years now. Much of what he has written is legitimate and thoughtful. If it was anyone but him, I’d be impressed by his thoughts and ideas. However, DS claims that he has been taught by Jesus Christ.

With claims like that, there comes a greater expectation. Because of this, I have carefully scrutinized both him and his teachings. In fact, he has demanded that everyone do this. Read this:

I have never said this publicly, but because of what I think will ensue after this talk I am going to say it, not for my sake, and certainly not for the sake of anyone who believes the truth or who has the Spirit, but I say it only to benefit those who may view things completely otherwise. 9 The Lord has said to me in His own voice, “I will bless those who bless you, and curse those who curse you.” Therefore, I want to caution those who disagree with me, to feel free, to feel absolutely free to make the case against what I say. Feel free to disagree, and make your contrary arguments. If you believe I err, then expose the error and denounce it. But take care; take care about what you say concerning me for your sake, not for mine. I live with constant criticism. I can take it. But I do not want you provoking Divine ire by unfortunately chosen words if I can persuade you against it.
–Lecture 10

Yikes.

I remember reading this on my mission, when the lectures were first transcribed onto denversnuffer.com; and I want it known that I took what he said very seriously. Everyone should– because if Denver really has been called to deliver a message from God, we of course need to heed and obey, or thus be damned instead.

Since then I have found numerous reasons to reject Denver Snuffer and thus classify him as a false prophet.

The biggest reason is this next claim of his, delivered in the same lecture as the last paragraph I’ve already included:

Thereafter, I appealed to the First Presidency, outlining the involvement of the 12 and the 70. The appeal gave notice to them all. The appeal was summarily denied. Last general conference, the entire First Presidency, the 12, the 70, and all other general authorities and auxiliaries, voted to sustain those who abused their authority in casting me out of the church. At that moment, the Lord ended all claims of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, to claim it is led by the priesthood.
–Lecture 10

According to DS, during the general conference of April 2014, all claims of priesthood in the LDS church became void. A very bold thing to say. Did this happen? He is either correct, or he is wrong. Remember, he is being tutored by Jesus Christ, and angels– so he better know what he’s talking about.

So does the LDS church still have the priesthood?

No, it doesn’t.

But this has nothing to do with Denver Snuffer.

Since 1841, the church has only held one of the three orders of priesthood. So in April 2014, there was nothing important to lose.

[The church only contains the Aaronic priesthood– until the sons of Levi AGAIN offer unto the Lord an offering of righteousness.]

Apologist’s of Denver may contest me and say that Denver was not saying that the church lost the Melchizedek or Patriarchal, but simply lost whatever priesthood it had– but that would be to deny all of Denver’s previous teachings on priesthood.

In 2009, Denver had this to say:

The Church holds the sealing power as a part of the restoration of all things… Joseph commented on three degrees of priesthood: Aaronic, Melchizedek and Patriarchal… The Church possesses and administers all three. Those who have their callings and election made sure also hold all three.
–Beloved Enos

Denver has clearly taught that the church held all three priesthoods. Once you understand the simple matter that the fulness of the priesthood was lost in 1835 to never be restored, all his points fall flat.

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Just as you can surmise the LDS teachings into one simple concept– “follow the prophet”– the same thing can be done with Denver:

“You can receive the second comforter.”

A recent development I’ve had with my own understanding of the gospel is that there is actually no such thing as a second comforter.

There is only the Comforter.

I’ve realized the whole concept of Denver’s teachings have been built on a faulty premise; and that everyone teaching or believing in a “second” Comforter have been deceived.

And yes– I know that Joseph Smith apparently did teach that there was a second Comforter, but that wouldn’t be the first thing he got wrong. I think the scriptures speak for themselves.

John 14-17 contain many marvelous and deep teachings. In my opinion, it’s there that we find the meat of the gospel.

We read in Hebrews that the meat of the gospel is only for those that have learned to discern between good and evil. Therefore, I think that anyone that misinterprets the deeper teachings of Christ, have not used the milk of the gospel to deliver themselves from doing and practicing evil. Only until someone sheds their false beliefs will they then understand the true essence of what the gospel of Jesus Christ is really saying.

I do not believe myself to be completely exempt. Even the humble followers of Christ are deceived in one way or another. I do not think I am 100% right about anything, but I do think that I have learned to discern between good and evil.

That said, I wouldn’t want anyone taking my word for anything. Same with Joseph Smith, or anyone else. We need to go back to the word of God and discover what it actually says about a given subject.

No matter what religion we grew up with, we all have been brainwashed and indoctrinated to believe falsehoods.

For instance, I never would have thought to question the concept of the second Comforter. I’ve been seriously studying the scriptures for years, but not once had it ever crossed my mind to doubt whether or not there even is a second Comforter. That’s how deeply ingrained it is in LDS thought.

Over the last few years, I’ve had to slowly peel away all the false teachings I’ve grown up with.

Here is why I reject the second Comforter, and all those that espouse it:

In John 14 we read,

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth;

Here the Comforter is referred to as the Spirit of truth. This is the “other” Comforter that people believe is not the Holy Ghost, but Jesus Christ. The reason people think that it is not the Holy Ghost, is because the word “another” is placed there. I admit that this does make it appear as though there is a distinction. However, I think the key is that the Comforter referred to in verse 16 is associated with being the Spirit of truth.

With that said, take a look at John 15:

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.

This verse does not support the second comforter doctrine. When you discard that idea, the theology behind the Holy Ghost begins to make much more sense.

We know that the Holy Ghost was not given while Jesus was on the earth. It was only until he was glorified that the Holy Ghost/endowment/baptism of fire was finally bestowed on his followers– on the day of Pentecost.

The Spirit of truth is not the personage of Jesus Christ.

Returning back to John 15:

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Students of the Bible have believed that verse 27 is only referring to the fact that the apostles of Jesus have been with him from the beginning of his ministry.

Modern revelation reveals the deeper meaning of what Jesus was saying.

Section 93:

21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;

22 And all those who are begotten through me are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.

23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;

Receiving the Spirit of truth– the fulness of the Holy Ghost, the one and only Comforter– is associated with being a member of the church of the Firstborn. If my assumptions are correct, those that will receive the Spirit of truth were the ones that were with Jesus Christ, who was with the Father, in the very, very beginning…

Back to John 14:

20 At that day [that you receive the Comforter] ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

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I think whether or not someone correctly understands these passages or not, defines whether or not they really were with Jesus in the beginning, whether or not they are “of God” like Jesus was.

-G.azelem

 

False Prophets pt. 2 “Brigham Young”

Brigham Young is a different kind of false prophet than Denver Snuffer. There are two kinds. One false prophet comes wearing sheep’s clothing, and the other comes without.

Denver Snuffer was excommunicated from the church. He never had the cloak of authority.

Brigham Young, on the other hand, did have a priesthood calling. He had sheep’s clothing.

Now, my contention is that his priesthood calling was NOT the priesthood calling that many believe him to have had.

Brigham Young had authority, but not the authority that allowed him to reign over God’s people.

While the LDS have forever believed him to be one of the Twelve Apostles, I, myself, do not believe he was ever such a thing.

I do not believe the Twelve Apostles were ever called to the earth during Joseph’s Smith ministry.

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Before the church was established, Joseph Smith received a revelation (D&C 18) that was for both Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer. They were given the duty of finding the disciples of Christ who would be the last days Twelve Apostles.

Just as there was Twelve Apostles in the meridian of time, there would again be Twelve Apostles walking the earth.

Imagine living in such a time as this. Imagine how exciting it would be to know that Twelve Apostles would again be called to declare the gospel to the world.

The interesting thing is:

Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer would never find them.

They were told to “search out the Twelve, who shall have the desires of which I have spoken. And by their desires and their works you shall know them.” (D&C 18:38-39)

After this revelation, the church was soon established, yet the finding of the Twelve Apostles seemed to be put on hiatus. Even when the Melchizedek priesthood was restored to the earth in 1831, they STILL did not ordain the Twelve.

Were they uninspired? Or slothful?

No.

According to God, they were both called to the same calling as that of Paul! Oliver and David were prophets of God and were doing exactly what God wanted them.

Nearly six years later after being told to search out the Twelve, they FINALLY ordained a group of men to be apostles– including, of course, Brigham Young.

This happened in 1835, after the fulness of the gospel had been rejected and lost from the earth.

So why did God want them to wait until 1835, when the fulness of the gospel/priesthood was no longer on the earth?

The Twelve ordained in 1835 were never ordained to be legitimate Twelve Apostles. Without the fulness of the priesthood, they would only be referred to as Twelve travelling councilors; or, simply, the Twelve.

When ordained in 1835, they were told by Oliver Cowdery, “Your ordination is not full and complete till God has laid his hand upon you.”

The Twelve that were ordained in 1835 would never receive a full ordination.

In D&C 112, we learn that these Twelve were not even yet converted to the gospel, full of temptation and sin.

Does this sound like the Twelve that Oliver and David were told to find: “the Twelve are they who shall desire to take upon them my name with full purpose of heart.” (v. 27)

Not to me, no.

Were BY and company the kind of disciples that the Lord Jesus Christ would call to represent him? If you read their sermons out of the Journal of Discourses, it’s not hard to realize how truly evil they were. They believed and did despicable things, all in the name of God.

They were told in Section 112 that if they didn’t stiffen their necks or harden their hearts, God would heal them.

I do not believe this was the case; they fell deeper and deeper into sin. Yet because of their priesthood calling, the Saints believed they were called of God to lead and guide them.

I could list all the evil practices and beliefs that the Twelve committed and perpetuated– and it would be such a long list– but that would be a distraction.

I want to return back to Section 18.

Oliver and David were told that by them God would work a marvelous work among the children of men. Because the Marvelous Work is still a future event, we know that Oliver and David will return to the earth.

As part of this work, Oliver and David will fulfill their calling. They will ordain the true Twelve Apostles unto the fulness of that calling, with the fulness of the priesthood.

These are the Twelve Apostles that will go into the world and do the things that the original Twelve Apostles once did.

Because I believe the Marvelous Work is about to occur, it is likely that Oliver and David are on the earth at this very moment… searching out the Twelve… who are walking amongst us, probably still unaware of the calling they are about to receive.

G.azelem

False Prophets pt. 1 “Denver Snuffer”

D&C 50:2

There are many spirits which are false spirits, which have gone forth in the earth, deceiving the world.

A peculiar quote from Joseph Smith was the idea that every religious tradition has its own distinct spirit that follows it. The Denver Snuffer movement has a very powerful one, and it’s growing stronger and stronger. Evidence for this is found here: http://latterdaywitnesses.com/interview-with-robert-smith-shares-his-life-journey-and-witness-of-christ/

Just as Denver Snuffer saw a false Christ, others are as well now. It used to be only a few individuals, but it’s becoming more and more common. I used to consider DS harmless, but his claims are too bold to continue to ignore. His influence and false-accompanying-spirit is picking up too much traction.

After publishing The Second Comforter, Denver Snuffer has tried to appeal his message to several different groups of people:

First, he went for completely active, Brethren-friendly, LDS members. He did this with his books, “Beloved Enos”, and “Come, Let Us Adore Him.” He was just another LDS member, who happened to have a marvelous experience.

Secondly, he went for Mormons with one foot in the door, and the other on the way out. He released “Removing the Condemnation” and then, of course, “Passing the Heavenly Gift.”

Recently, Denver has apparently reached out to polygamist groups. And now, as of June 29th, 2016, it has been announced– on his website– that the fourth group he will target is, quite simply, Christians.

Denver has in fact unveiled that he has written an entire book designed for mainline Christians. From his site:

The book is an attempt to re-introduce Joseph Smith as an important Christian figure, separate from institutional Mormonism. It is time he became relevant to all Christians, and no longer regarded as the property of Mormonism. The new book should be available on Amazon by early August if anyone is interested.”

Personally, I suspect he will have no such luck in his this endeavour. I believe this for a multiplicity of reasons. I think he is best off appealing to the TBM’s.

Anyone that has ever believed– with all their heart– that Thomas S. Monson is a prophet, is capable of great deception, and is thus susceptible to being deceived once again.

Believers of DS trade crazy for crazy. But the thing is, they are sincere. Yet sincerity has nothing to with the truth. However, they are sincerely trying to follow Christ, which does count for something.

I believe the followers of DS, as well as the followers of some other false prophets, are Terrestrial souls, who belong to Christ at his second coming, even though they were blinded by the craftiness of men. They are Christ’ people– Israel– but they are not of the elect who will be caught up in the cloud.

A DS-inspired blog has itself named “To The Remnant”, which I find ironic, because it truly is a blog for the remnant spoken of in scripture that will be on the earth when Christ and his elect descend to the earth.

The movement of Denver Snuffer has attributed to two great things: the seeing of a false Christ; and a falsely-perceived concept of Joseph Smith.

From ‘To The Remnant’:

Unfortunately, the “saints” stone, cast out, and kill Joseph yet today. Here are some of the ways those who claim to accept Joseph Smith’s mission, instead participate in his assassination:

DS-followers have traded the LDS-church-Joseph for a new Joseph that is just as idealistic and invented!

The truth about Joseph Smith is not easy to grasp. I myself have gone back and forth on to what degree Joseph may have really been innocent of the charges brought against him. I see now that this is a seducing spirit that follows all apostate LDS traditions. Believing in a false Joseph Smith spawns more false beliefs.

My recommended reading on this topic:

https://onewhoiswatching.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/three-chapters-on-the-intercessory-atonement-offering.pdf

https://onewhoissearching.com/2015/03/08/one-like-unto-moses/

In closing, I want to mention what I find most curious about Denver Snuffer. After following his activity for the last three years or so, the most confusing thing to me is his ever-changing thoughts on polygamy and the temple.

The sinking feeling I have is that Denver will bring back polygamy. I think this is bound to occur when he creates his own version of the LDS endowment. After he indoctrinates his followers with new esoteric rituals, there is no telling what may happen.

D&C 50:7

There are hypocrites among you, who have deceived some, which has given the adversary power, but behold such shall be reclaimed.

There is a great many of individuals who have been deceived by the claims of Denver Snuffer, with his false Christ, and seducing spirits. Apparently, such shall be reclaimed. Hopefully, for some at least, this happens in time for them to accept the new and everlasting covenant when it finally returns to the earth. Because Denver Snuffer does not even know what the new and everlasting covenant is, I know that he is a false prophet, and thus can never have seen Christ.

Those that are not reclaimed in time for when the First Elders return to the earth, will be reclaimed at the Second Coming. This is the remnant. They will be sanctified after their pain, which will be brought upon them by the teachings of a false prophet.

-G.azelem

“The Role of Women in the Plan of Salvation” pt 1. Women Will Receive the Priesthood…

The Role of Women in the Plan of Salvation” pt 1. Women Will Receive the Priesthood…

However, this is not the priesthood that the LDS church claims a monopoly on. The priesthood contained in the LDS church can never be given to women. The prepatory priesthoods that Mormon males hold are in fact strictly gender related.

Yet in the dispensation of the fulness of times, women will receive the priesthood which is after the order of the Son of God. This is the only priesthood that truly matters in regards to salvation.

The Lord told Emma Smith at the beginning of Joseph Smith’s ministry, that she would be “ordained” under the hand of her husband. (D&C 25:7)

This has nothing to do with the Relief Society, which was established in 1842.

Because the church was rejected of God in September of 1841, the Relief Society has no business in the legitimate church of God. It was not divinely inspired as part of the restoration of all things.

When the kingdom of God is on the earth again, it will be the same organization that existed from 1831 to 1834 under the ministration of the Prophet Joseph Smith.

When Joseph and Emma return to the earth, Joseph will ordain her unto the fulness of the priesthood, just as it was promised in Section 25. Emma will then expound scripture and exhort the church according to revelation. She will be a prophet.

The fulness of the priesthood is this:

A baptism of fire.

The proof of this is found in the Book of Moses 6. When Adam receives a baptism of fire, he is told that he is now, “after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years.”

That is the exact same terminology for the Melchizedek priesthood!

The priesthood which the LDS church has is both Aaronic and Patriarachal. Neither of these priesthoods can bring salvation; they are simply ordinations to perform outward ordinances. The Melchizedek priesthood is absolutely necessary to perform SAVING ordinances.

Section 76 explains that we must receive the Holy Spirit of Promise [baptism of fire] by the laying on of hands by someone who has been ordained AND sealed unto that power.

This cannot currently happen in the day and age in which we live.

Everyone in the church has been ordained to the Patriarachal priesthood, which confirms members, but does not actually bestow the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You also cannot be sealed unto the Patriarachal priesthood. This only occurs with the Melchizedek.

No one in the church has been ordained and sealed unto the Melchizedek priesthood, because no one is even being ordained unto it in the first place! The sealing of that priesthood is receiving a baptism of fire after the ordination.

Section 67:14 “In mine own due time, ye shall see and know that which was conferred upon you by the hands of my servant Joseph Smith.”

You cannot receive a baptism of fire, without the proper laying on of hands for it. And the only person that can properly bestow the Gift of the Holy Ghost is someone who has already received the Holy Ghost. They need the gift themselves to receive revelation on who can and cannot receive it.

From 1831 to 1834– with the Melchizedek priesthood on the earth– Joseph Smith was at perfect liberty to ordain anyone to that priesthood, so that they could go on to receive a baptism of fire/the fulness of the priesthood.

But the time to do so was very limited. The church broke the new and everlasting covenant, and fell into apostasy. By God’s will, Joseph did not ordain any women during that three-and-a-half-year gap of time. This was because the Melchizidek priesthood would– in a very subtle manner– be quietly replaced by the Patriarachal priesthood, which obviously only men can hold.

Women were prevented from getting caught in the crossfire of having the priesthood and then not having any priesthood at all. If this were the case, it would be too obvious that the church no longer had the full authority of God, and the church would not have been able to continue forward with a lesser priesthood and prepatory gospel.

Joseph said, “If I should tell you all I know that will come to pass within twelve years, perhaps there would not one of you believe it, and would apostatize from the Church. But I shall let you learn things as they happen, then most likely you will all stand in the Church.”

Clearly, Joseph Smith wanted the church to continue on, even in an apostate condition. It was part of God’s plan. This is why women did not receive the priesthood during the short time it could have been made available to them.

In the final dispensation, which brings in the millenium, the Melchezidek priesthood will return to the earth; and all the righteous, both male and female, will receive fulness of it. We will finally be restored from our lost and fallen state. We will no longer sin.

-G.azelem