Two Watchmen

Rebuttal to LDS Watchman

Original post:

https://themarvelouswork.com/2019/01/15/will-the-real-elijah-please-stand-up-redux/

Quotes taken from:

https://ldswatchman.wordpress.com/2019/02/26/a-response-to-will-the-real-elijah-please-stand-up-redux-by-g-azelem-part-1/

https://ldswatchman.wordpress.com/2019/03/02/a-response-to-will-the-real-elijah-please-stand-up-redux-by-g-azelem-part-2/

https://ldswatchman.wordpress.com/2019/03/03/a-response-to-will-the-real-elijah-please-stand-up-redux-by-g-azelem-part-3/

https://ldswatchman.wordpress.com/2019/03/09/a-response-to-will-the-real-elijah-please-stand-up-redux-by-g-azelem-part-4/

https://ldswatchman.wordpress.com/2019/03/10/a-response-to-will-the-real-elijah-please-stand-up-redux-by-g-azelem-part-5/

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Contention: “Here we see clearly that the apostasy being referred to [in Section 86] was a future apostasy not a past one. Verse 3 states after they have fallen asleep, not after they had fallen asleep.”

Response: I did not claim that the revelation referred to the initial apostasy after the first watch. I have spoken and written extensively on this subject, that the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest is fully ripe. This is clear instruction to Sidney and Joseph, providing them context as they gleaned insights during their translation of the Bible, where it surely became more and more obvious that their church would fall into apostasy. This is why they received Section 86. God implored them to continue their efforts regardless of the truth that an apostasy would occur after the second watch. They are told to, “let the wheat and tares grow together.”

Again, the revelation supports my belief that Sidney is John the Beloved—that the original apostles were the sowers of the seed, and not all of them have fallen asleep. John the Beloved was yet to fall asleep, which is why the word “have” is used and not “had.”

Contention: “In D&C 86 the Lord is speaking to future Israelites with whom the priesthood has continued since the restoration of the gospel in the 1830s. Their life and priesthood must remain until the restoration of all things. In the meantime they are to be a light to the gentiles and a savior to the Lord’s people Israel.”

Response: How can these future readers of D&C 86 be a savior in the meantime when they do not possess the priesthood necessary to save? None of us can provide the saving ordinances.

Contention: “It is these individuals who are referred to. It is not some mystic allusion to some secret hidden identity of Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon.”

Response: Perhaps it’s not. But with certainty I can refute the revelation is not targeted to us. It’s either directly to Joseph and Sidney or the original members of the Church of Christ. “Blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness […] and through this priesthood, a savior unto my people.” The church did not continue in goodness; they departed from the Lord and lost the fulness of the priesthood, and eventually their baptisms were no longer accepted.

Contention: “Are the only weak ones who will break down the strong ones the weak saints from the 1830s and 1840s who failed to redeem Zion at that time? Do they all have to come back to earth and finish the work that was started back in the 1830s in some mystical return from the dead, which has never before happened in the scriptures?”

Response: Yes, the first labourers of the last kingdom will. They go forth, “for the last time.” (D&C 88:84) They didn’t go forth after the Kirtland Temple, because God is saving them for the marvelous work.

Contention: “The Lord knew exactly what would and would not be achieved in the 1830s and 1840s.”

Response: He did, and that’s why the revelations and prophecies indicate they must return to the earth or the word of the Lord is null and void and should not be trusted.

Contention: “Just because the Lord has promised us something individually, this does not mean that it will come to pass. All promised blessing are contingent upon us doing the Lord’s will. If we do not do what He says, He is not bound, and we have no promise. The same principle applies to the individuals given promises by the Lord in the D&C.”

Response: This paradigm suggests that Joseph Smith did not do the Lord’s will. The prophecy of 2nd Nephi 3 which outlines the role of Joseph Smith was not contingent upon anything. It will either come to pass or the Book of Mormon is a lie. The author has an issue with “unconditional” promises because apparently things can go any which way depending on man. God said of Joseph: “I will make him great in mine eyes; for he shall do my work.” He didn’t say, “And if he does my will, I will make him great; and if everybody listens to him, he will do my work.”

“That seer will the Lord bless; and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise, which I have obtained of the Lord, of the fruit of my loins, shall be fulfilled. Behold, I am sure of the fulfilling of this promise.” (2 Nephi 3:14)

Why can’t we have the same kind of faith that Joseph of Egypt had when God proclaimed truth?Because those seeking to destroy Joseph Smith were not confounded, this either means the Book of Mormon is a fraud or it has not yet come to pass. I believe in the Word and know that this prophecy will come to pass exactly as stated. When God’s work commences (2 Nephi 3:13), Joseph will be made strong and none will destroy him. They will not even hurt him. (3 Nephi 21:10) The Lord has spoken it.

God doesn’t make these promises because of how he thinks things will go…he knows the future; and in this case, knew that Joseph Smith would fulfill his will, which is why he provides unconditional commentary on prophetic events wherein he knows the final result.

Contention: “We must also remember that prior to the millennium, or right at the beginning of it, the righteous saints who have gone before shall descend upon the earth and the righteous saints living on the earth shall be rushed up to meet them. Surely the righteous saints from the early days of the restoration will be there and participate as prophesied. It must also be remembered that there will be a great many angels who will participate in the gathering of the elect to Zion. Surely righteous saints from the church in all ages, including the 1830s and 1840s, will be among these angels.”

Response: The gathering of elect occurs before the first trump. And the gathering is to be done by Joseph Smith who is to deliver (2 Nephi 3:9) and restore Israel (2 Nephi 3:13) alongside the first elders. If they have to wait until the first resurrection to do so, the scriptures have contradicted themselves.

Contention: “Seeing how there is no scriptural pattern for such a claim, this does not appear to be a plausible conclusion.”

Response: There is no other plausible conclusion. The marvelous work is regarded as a “strange act” (D&C 101:95) so why would there be a scriptural pattern for it? How else could it be strange?

Contention: “The Lord stated to Joseph Smith, “I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel. For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.” […] Sounds like a future servant of the Lord to me.”

Response: Sounds like Joseph Smith to me, for God said of Joseph: “He shall be great like unto Moses […] to deliver my people, O house of Israel.” (2 Nephi 3:11) It is erroneous to suggest that D&C 101 was speaking to Joseph Smith; it was clearly to the Saints, the children of Israel. They were told that the redemption of Zion needed to come by power, a reference to Joseph Smith when he goes forth in the spirit of power to bring Israel out of captivity unto freedom. (2 Nephi 3:5)

I doubt Watchman is ignorant of 2nd Nephi 3; I suspect he believes it not to be prophecy of Joseph Smith but of another Joseph…for either Joseph returns to the earth or the prophecy is speaking of someone else. I implore the reader to decide on this matter.

Contention: “It is clear that there is absolutely no reason to declare that “John the Baptist was Elijah brought back into the flesh” or that he “was not going through a mortal probation to choose good over evil; he had already proven himself to God as Elijah!” This is total speculation and goes against the scriptures and teachings of the prophet Joseph Smith.”

Response: It is speculation on my part—but I’d love to see what scriptures I’m contradicting. Haven’t found them in my many years of intensive study, making it my mission to demolish all false doctrine in and out of the LDS church, constantly readjusting my positions once I’ve been proven wrong. How can we not speculate when the the scriptures have provided so many cryptic and mysterious passages? As we continue searching, we reevaluate and come to a greater understanding. I’m not afraid to speculate because God intentionally gave us a program that requires it.

Contention: “Joseph said that he saw Jesus Christ and God the Father in a vision in 1820. He never said that he was in their presence or that either of them were actually physically present.”

Response: I agree this is more likely.

Contention: “Paul is not in any way referring directly to Joseph and Sidney in 1 Corinthians. He is talking about the saints in his day and the saints and servants of God in all ages.”

Response: When you have a theory and encounter passages such as this, the scriptures can reveal a new meaning. I included 1 Corinthians 1:27 to showcase this. I don’t claim it to be evidence of supporting my theory but just as an indication that the scriptures can have a deeper subtext. Is this one of them? Maybe, maybe not.

Contention: “This is correct only if what is meant by Jews is the House of Israel as a whole, primarily the tribe of Ephraim, and not specifically the tribe of Judah. If the tribe of Judah is specifically being referred to, then this is not correct.”

Response: Why is the tribe of Judah excluded? When the gospel is sent to the Jews it doesn’t include Judah? Why?

Contention: “Descendants of Joseph are not gentiles. The priesthood line and birthright is through the line of the father and not the mother. Not that it matters in this case, as Joseph in Egypt did not marry a gentile woman. He married into the royal Egyptian family, who were ruling Egypt at that particular time. During that time Egypt was briefly ruled by a people called the Hyksos, who had driven out the black Egyptian rulers. The Hyksos were from Chaldea, the same place Abraham and Sarah were from. It is also the place were Isaac’s wife Rebekah was from, as well as Jacob’s wives Leah and Rachel. This is why Joseph could marry Asenath. Had she been a black Canaanite, this would have been forbidden, just as Isaac and Jacob had been forbidden to take wives from among the black Canaanites.”

Response: Firstly, I agree that priesthood is handed down by the father, but this doesn’t change the fact that the bloodline can be intermixed. The fulness of the gospel is given to the Gentiles and yet The Book of Commandments identifies the Gentiles as being of the blood of Ephraim. (D&C 64:36) So the descendants of Joseph must clearly be Gentiles either through Asenath or by mixing among the people. (Hosea 7:8)

Contention: “Joseph Smith as the lamb is a very strange interpretation of Leviticus 16 since a lamb is not mentioned. Rather it is a ram. But Joseph never said that he was going as a “ram” to the slaughter, so I guess it’s easier for G.azelem to change ram to lamb and hope nobody notices. Or perhaps he didn’t notice this himself.”

Response: The author does not know what a ram is.

Contention: “Just like with his 1st watch interpretation, G.azelem doesn’t provide an interpretation for the other metaphors such as Moses, Aaron, the Holy Place, linen garments, wilderness, etc.”

Response: I could provide an interpretation.

Contention: “I see absolutely zero parallel between Judas and Hyrum Smith. Perhaps between Judas and William Law as they were both traitors, but G.azelem can’t use William Law, because William Law wasn’t slain. Hyrum was not in any way responsible for Joseph’s death, nor was Judas slain beside Jesus as Hyrum was to Joseph.”

Response: William Law wasn’t a traitor; he was attempting to reform the church as needed. Hyrum actually was responsible for Joseph’s death because it was his idea to give themselves up and go to prison even though Joseph informed him that if they did so, they would die. It probably is too far of a stretch to make this comparison, but my actual point was to reinforce that the atonement offering of Joseph Smith was contingent upon 3rd Nephi 20-21 and not Leviticus 16, because it’s still possible to provide an interpretation that fulfills the scapegoat offering before the time of Joseph Smith.

Contention: “On the other hand, if Joseph was offering up such a sacrifice at his death it is strange that the Lord didn’t at least hint at this when he revealed to Brigham Young the reason why Joseph had to die.”

Response: Brigham Young was not a prophet.

Contention: “He [Sidney Rigdon] did not remain with the saints as the Lord commanded, he pridefully took off.”

Response: He refused to bow down to false prophets.

Contention: “Where does it state in the scriptures that people must rend the veil and see God before they are sanctified?”

Response: Of course you can’t see God before sanctification. I didn’t say this. Rending the veil of unbelief is the expression of faith needed for sanctification. And you can’t see God unless you are sanctified.

Contention: “Does being born of God mean that a person no longer sins at all? I’m not aware of this doctrine. All men sin, even the most righteous.”

Response: Not according to 1 John 3:9. All men will sin, but it is possible to stop once you have been born of God.

Contention: “Daniel did prophecy that the daily sacrifice would be taken away, but he did not say that this daily sacrifice was that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit. […] I’m curious where G.azelem gets the idea that the daily sacrifice referred to by Daniel has been take away already.”

Response: I’m curious what the Watchman thinks the daily sacrifice refers to, since he hasn’t offered a better interpretation.

Contention: “How [can he] claim that even in a time of apostasy, were the ordinances are not found on the earth, that we are still accountable for not rending the veil, after declaring that one must have the Melchizedek priesthood in order to rend the veil and see God earlier in his article? Furthermore, how does G.azelem expect us to rend the veil if the ability to offer a broken heart and a contrite spirit has been taken from us as he claims?”

Response: When we rend the veil of unbelief, then come the great and marvelous things. The great and marvelous things involve us offering a broken heart and contrite spirit within the law of consecration which is necessary in receiving the Melchizedek priesthood for a baptism of fire.

Contention: “He suffered for every sin. He felt every pain. He felt every temptation. He took our sins upon Himself, when He was slain for the sins of the world in the meridian of time. To suggest that that He still needed to experience what it was like to commit iniquity 1800 years later, is to suggest that the atonement was not fully complete when Christ was slain. This is again blasphemy.”

Response: He felt every temptation, but he did not feel the guilt of having committed sin. I understand why this can be deemed as blasphemous, but am only being open and sincere. I’m not gonna win anybody over in stating such a radical concept. I wish only to be transparent with the ramifications of what I’m suggesting.

Contention: “The “deep” in D&C 122:7 refers to the possibility of Joseph being killed by his enemies casting him into the sea, not that Joseph was going to be cast into hell.”

Response: The sea [deep] is used in scripture to be an analogy for hell. (Rev 13:1) Joseph was also informed that he could be cast into the pit, as well as having the very jaws of hell gape after him. (Section 122)

Contention: “This is all speculation and ultimately a false conclusion. We do not know that Sidney raises the ensign and therefore we do not know that he is the Root of Jesse. Sidney failed to live up to his calling in the end.”

Response: I may be wrong that Sidney is the Root of Jesse, but I believe the author is definitely wrong in judging Sidney to have not lived up to his calling.

Contention: “Here we go again with the “previous mortal probation” false doctrine. The scriptures do not anywhere state that Sidney Rigdon already held the keys of the gathering of Israel prior to joining the church, or that he held any keys prior to joining the church for that matter. G.azelem is pulling this out of thin air. The keys to the gathering of Israel were given in the Kirtland temple in 1836 (D&C 110) and not before. Those keys were given to Joseph and Oliver and not Sidney.”

Response: And yet previous to 1836 the church had authority to all nations; the keys to save Israel had already been given. (D&C 35:25)

Contention: “Actually D&C 110 says that Moses, Elias, and Elijah visited Joseph and Oliver and bestowed keys upon them. John the Baptist is not mentioned and Elias and Elijah are shown to be separate individuals.”

Response: Author ignores all evidence given by me to suggest otherwise.

Contention: “G.azelem is correct that the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham is not a downgrade. He clearly doesn’t understand what the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham really means, but by acknowledging that it is not a downgrade he is one step ahead of the other third watch bloggers in this regard.”

Response: Then let’s hear what the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham is! I’d love to hear another perspective. I don’t imagine it’s any different than what I think, but I’m all ears.

Contention: “Sidney held the keys by virtue of being one of Joseph’s councilors in the first presidency, who collectively held the keys of the kingdom with the president of the church, Joseph Smith. Clearly Joseph bestowed those keys upon Sidney and Frederick G. Williams when they were set apart as his councilors. There is zero indication that Sidney held these keys previously.”

Response: So Joseph Smith held the keys of the kingdom without the keys given in 1836? Either the keys of 1836 represent a downgrade or the church held them previously because of someone in the first presidency was already given them. Rather than providing a decent argument as to why the keys of 1836 don’t constitute the keys of the kingdom, I’m attacked for providing a theory that actually makes sense of the author’s suppositions. The “kingdom” was only given to the Saints once Sidney aligned with the church. Was this a mere coincidence? I feel like Watchman should do a post on priesthood keys so I can understand where he’s coming from.

Contention: “G.azelem is forgetting two men. Robert B. Thompson and John C. Bennett were also called to help with this proclamation.

He’s also forgetting that the Lord told Joseph to make this proclamation to the kings of the earth immediately, not four generations later.

Well, I guess we’ll have to wait and see if Sidney Rigdon, who left Nauvoo against the Lord’s command; John C. Bennett ,who was an adulterer who preyed on naïve women and wanted to murder the Lord’s prophet; and William Law who betrayed Joseph, started his own church, and later denounced the restored gospel as a fraud, will all come back and make this proclamation together with Robert Thompson acting as scribe.

If these guys will all be given a free pass for their sins, then I guess we’ll all be saved in the kingdom of heaven in the end, after perhaps being beaten by a few stripes. We might as well eat, drink, and be merry.”

Response: I wasn’t forgetting anything. The only person forgetting anything was apparently Joseph for not bothering to make the proclamation immediately. I’ve provided the author—in an email—an explanation as to why John C. Bennett will not be making the proclamation, that his assignment was conditional and not unconditional, but this makes no difference because LDS Watchman doesn’t believe there is a distinction between a conditional or unconditonal statement.

Contention: “As for the Morley farm conference. The Melchizedek priesthood was restored before that. It was restored in 1829. There were already Elders before the church was organized. Elder is an office of the Melchizedek priesthood. The Joseph Smith quote about Morley farm doesn’t say what G.azelem thinks it does.”

Response: I’ve explained this apparent discrepancy before. The office of elder is unto the high priesthood, not an office of the high priesthood.

Contention: “This is the timeline put together by Watcher, but the problem is that the Melchizedek priesthood was on earth and with the church in 1829, so the three and a half years would have ended in 1832 not 1834 as Watcher claims, and G.azelem echoes here.”

Response: The author still believes the Melchizedek priesthood was restored previous to the establishment of the church, a deluded narrative that falls to pieces and leads Mormons to reject the truth claims of the restoration movement because it is not supported and is evidence of historical revisionism.

Contention: “The third watch bloggers like to take shots at the endowment, but I have yet to find a convincing argument from them as to why they believe the endowment is from Satan and a secret combination.”

Response: I guess Moses 5:29 doesn’t ring any bells for Watchman.

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Although the main point of Watchman was to disprove my theory that individuals can die and be born again at a later time, the real issue at hand was the author’s reluctance to believe that the prophecies of Joseph Smith will fully come to pass as stated in scripture.

He has surmised: “Apparently in the eyes of the third watch bloggers God is a respecter of persons and certain individuals will receive a free pass for their sins and transgressions and be allowed to return to earth to fulfil whatever mission they were called to, which they may not have lived worthy of during their lives.”

Of course, we do not believe this, and the author is seemingly comfortable in this misalignment of our beliefs and convictions. He doesn’t think very highly of us if he thinks we’ve strayed that far from the most basic of truths. Certain individuals aren’t given a free pass. God knows who will overcome and who won’t, and this knowledge is the knowledge we go off of.

Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon will return to the earth along with the first elders. I verily know this to be true. The only thing Watchman can do is present me as having a false religious worldview where people get a free pass.

My religious worldview is a belief in God who knows the end from the beginning; and everything God says will come to pass because God has already seen it transpire. God knew that his anointed servants would accomplish his will, and that is why he prophesied of them doing things they haven’t yet done. He would not have declared them to fulfill more than they had if he knew they would fail during the first commission. He declared them to go forth for the last time (a second commission) and they will! This is very clear to me. While I sway on other issues, I do not doubt the reality of the return of the first labourers of the last kingdom.

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Notice in all five posts that there was no scriptures provided to prove that spirits can never re-enter their mortality through being born again in the womb…and thus he has unwittingly given my theory even more support. It can’t be proven false with a simple swoop.

It is commonly accepted within Mormondom that God was once a mortal man who had a god above him. This can be proven false instantly. (Isaiah 43:10-11) The scriptures can destroy false doctrine with a single scripture. That’s the power they have.

I no longer intend to explore on this blog—or elsewhere—on the subject of spirits returning to the earth and entering the womb once again to continue their ministry. I’ve compiled a vast collection of scriptures that may prove its legitimacy, but this has become irrelevant to me in respect to the current state of things. This is the time in which the watchmen do not yet see eye-to-eye. This only occurs once the Lord brings again Zion. (Isa 52:8)

I’m reminded of Alma who mused on the timeline of resurrections and yet determined: “It mattereth not; for God knoweth all these things.” (Alma 40:5)

The elders of the church who would learn the mysteries of God—most notably in Sections 76, 88, and 93—were told, “preach naught but repentance, and show not these things unto the world until it is wisdom in me.” (D&C 19:21)

Although this verse is not subject to me—for no one on earth (as far as I am aware) has been called to the ministry to preach—I feel inspired to try and follow the mandate of this verse for the time being.

The last month I have been delving into the deepest of mysteries. My findings have been incredible and have deepened my understanding of the plan of salvation on an entirely new level. I have been blessed with many insights and revelations of pure intelligence (light and truth) which is the glory of God. (D&C 93:36) This has improved my sense of discernment.

I am now embarking on compiling a list of every commandment that has proceeded forth from the mouth of God.

If we by the grace of God are called to preach repentance unto the world; or by the grace of God are ministered unto by true priesthood messengers with the call to repent—I sense we should get a head-start and know what things we need to repent of, and begin to do so immediately with deeper sorrow and humility. I suspect that I will come across commandments and prophetic words to heed that are not yet fully apparent to me.

I thank LDS Watchman for taking my post seriously and measuring it up against his understanding of the scriptures

As I have quoted numerously before, I repeat once more:

“They have all gone astray save it be a few, who are the humble followers of Christ; nevertheless, they are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men.” (2 Ne 28:14)

Until we are sanctified, we are all subject to err. I wouldn’t doubt that both Watchman and I are counted among this group Nephi speaks of. We are slowly un-learning the traditions of our fathers, and this process takes time. Yet each of us have the pure intent of seeking God, and for this we are told:

“But if from thence thou shalt seek the Lord thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.” (Deut 4:29-31)

Seek, and ye shall find.

The seekers and watchers have the same goal—to please God. For now I hope to rest from debating the word and focus on how we can instead begin to live the word more fully.

Let us allow our knowledge of the scriptures to empower us in ways we haven’t yet experienced. The best is yet to come for the humble followers of Christ.

Yours truly,

-G.azelem

Will The Real Elijah Please Stand Up (redux)

“Thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers— For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God— Therefore your life and the priesthood have remained, and must needs remain through you and your lineage until the restoration of all things.” (D&C 86:9)

These words were given to Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon. We learn not only that they are descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but that their identities have been hid from the world. So who were they? The Lord did not reveal their identity during the second watch, but left behind enough clues for the elect to put the pieces together and understand their true identities. It is only until the third watch that the world will know Joseph and Sidney for who they really were when the two of them return to the earth to fulfill their ministry.

The weak things of the world are prophesied to come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones. Although the weak things were called and ordained unto this calling, as recorded in the D&C, it is evident that they did not achieve their mandate during their mortal probation in the 1800’s. Heretics such as myself can only conclude that they must return to the earth.

If you do not accept the unconditional promises and prophecies contained in The Doctrine and Covenants, I recommend you stop reading this post and do as the Lord directs in D&C 1:37.

This post is going to be a long one, so I don’t want to dwell on the scriptural precedents which have led me and others to anticipate Zion’s successful establishment by the same players who laid its foundation over 180 years ago. For more information, refer to an older post of mine: https://themarvelouswork.com/2015/09/07/lds-leadership-pt-3-the-first-elders/

The interesting thing I should mention about that post is that although I had recognized the significance of the term “arm of the Lord” I had not yet directly attributed it to a specific person. Originally I thought it to be Joseph Smith, judging by Section 103:

“Behold, I say unto you, the redemption of Zion must needs come by power; Therefore, I will raise up unto my people a man, who shall lead them like as Moses led the children of Israel. For ye are the children of Israel, and of the seed of Abraham, and ye must needs be led out of bondage by power, and with a stretched-out arm.” (verse 15-17)

It seemed clear that Joseph was the arm, but another verse seemed to fly in the face of this:

“I call upon the weak things of the world, those who are unlearned and despised, to thresh the nations by the power of my Spirit; and their arm shall be my arm.” (D&C 35:13-14)

This verse implies that the arm of the Lord is not a single individual, but manifests itself through a plurality of people. I wrongfully came to the conclusion that the first elders who will redeem Zion each represent the arm of the Lord.

I now understand that the plurality was referring to Sidney Rigdon, to which Section 35 was addressing! The arm of the Lord is both Joseph and Sidney.

My last post, “The Two Lords and the LORD,” had many inaccuracies because I failed to understand that prophecies pertain to Joseph and Sidney interchangeably. Trying to differentiate them isn’t always possible. They will have different roles and appear at different times—which I will elaborate on!—but labelling one as the Davidic king and one as the Davidic servant isn’t as simple as I thought.

What is clear is that these two are the weak things who jointly bring forth the fulness of the gospel.

Lyman Wight, to use an example, is not in the same category. Although he is one of the first elders and will return to the earth to preach the gospel—and likely participate in rending the kingdoms of the earth—he received the gospel, while it appears to me as though Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon did not actually need to receive the gospel during their probation in the second watch.

Think about it! For some odd reason, Joseph Smith was able to see God the Father in 1820 without being ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood. And for some odd reason, Sidney Rigdon had been sent forth by God to baptize people PRIOR to being united with the restored church.

Like John the Baptist, Joseph and Sidney are not part of the bride, but friends of the bridegroom/Christ. John the Baptist was deemed by Christ as more than a prophet. This is because John the Baptist was Elijah brought back into the flesh. He was not going through a mortal probation to choose good over evil; he had already proven himself to God as Elijah!

Sidney Rigdon clearly had priesthood authority if God sent him forth to baptize people before being ordained by either Joseph Smith or Olivery Cowdery. How could he have priesthood authority? He had to have received it during his first probation.

“David Patten I have taken unto myself; behold, his priesthood no man taketh from him.” (D&C 124:130)

“The keys of the kingdom shall never be taken from you, while thou art in the world, neither in the world to come.” (D&C 90:3)

The two verses above are each evidence that priesthood holders retain their priesthood and/or keys even after performing their labours and completing their time of probation.

Returning back to Lyman Wight— It was Sidney Rigdon, as a Baptist minister, who originally baptized Lyman and introduced him to the doctrines which would define early Mormonism. Sidney prepared him to receive the fulness of the gospel when it went forth by the hand of Joseph Smith. Lyman was the first to receive the Melchizedek priesthood in early June of 1831, where thereafter he parted the heavens and was able to behold God the Father and the Savior.

Lyman received the fulness of the gospel and was thus ordained to the priesthood which made it possible to see God as a member of the church of God and the bride of Christ.

D&C 84 explains that without the priesthood no man can see the face of God. Moses saw the face of God as recorded in Moses 1 which is an extension of Exodus 19. It is in Exodus 18 that Moses was given the commission by Jethro to teach the ordinances and laws unto the people (verse 20). Clearly, Jethro, as a high priest, knew the doctrine of Christ—handed down by Melchizedek—and performed the saving ordinances on Moses which enabled him to see God in the following chapter.

Joseph Smith did not have the ordinances of the gospel and yet saw God! The experiences of Joseph and Sidney have contradicted the holy word of God unless this is a result of having under gone a previous mortal probation.

If it has been accepted that Joseph and Sidney are the, “weak things of the world,” then it makes sense that Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 1:27 that the weak things of the world had already been chosen by the time Paul was writing his letters! This is because Joseph and Sidney had been foreordained to return to the earth in the second and third watches. Sidney would bring with him more keys than Joseph—but more on that later.

Those familiar with the strange history of Mormonism will no doubt be aware that Jesse Gause had originally been called in Section 81 as a counsellor to Joseph Smith in the Presidency of the High Priesthood but the appointment was short-lived due to apostasy. Instead of providing another revelation, the Lord simply replaced Jesse’s name in Section 81 and replaced it with Frederick G. Williams. What was God trying to tell us by choosing someone he knew would apostatize? I think it’s a clear sign that the third spot within the Presidency of the High Priesthood was to be filled by someone who was experiencing their first probation. In hindsight we understand that Frederick G. Williams was not foreordained the way Joseph and Sidney were. But make no mistake: Frederick is not to be cast aside as a thing of naught! Section 90 informs us that Frederick G. Williams is accounted as equal with Joseph and Sidney in holding the keys of the last kingdom.

The three of them are told: “Through your administration they may receive the word, and through their administration the word may go forth unto the ends of the earth, unto the Gentiles first, and then, behold, and lo, they shall turn unto the Jews. And then cometh the day when the arm of the Lord shall be revealed in power, convincing the nations, the heathen nations, the house of Joseph, of the gospel of their salvation.” (verse 9-10)

During the first watch, the gospel went from the Jews to the Gentiles.

During the second watch, the gospel went from the Gentiles to the Jews through the administration of those who had received the word by the administration of Joseph, Sidney, and Frederick.

At the time of the third watch, the gospel will have the most impact on the Gentiles. Section 90 makes it clear that when the arm of the Lord is revealed in power it will be unto the convincing the house of Joseph of the gospel of their salvation. The descendants of Joseph are part of the Abrahamic covenant, but are Gentiles due to the fact that Joseph likely married a Gentile woman or the prophetic remark of Jacob that the descendants of Joseph’s son Ephraim would become a multitude of nations. (Genesis 48:19)

The arm of the Lord will be revealed; and Joseph and Sidney will no longer be hid from the world. If you return back to the scripture I opened this post with, you will notice that the two of them are hidden from the world with Christ.

Not only are the two arms hidden from the world, but so is Jesus Christ. But when holy arm is made bare in the eyes of all the nations, Jesus will be found in the midst of the New Jerusalem. (3rd Nephi 21:25) Section 103 affirms that during the redemption of Zion the servants of God will be graced with the presence of not only angels but of the Lord himself. (verse 20)

If you’ve read this far and haven’t been scared off by my suppositions that Joseph and Sidney were living a second mortal probation I am sincerely impressed. It only gets crazier. I am about to suggest some radical ideas which many will find blasphemous. All I ask is for the reader to consider what I am saying. It doesn’t matter how big of a heretic you might be; and it doesn’t matter how open-minded you consider yourself— This post will perhaps be the most controversial document you’ve ever read. Simply because… it might just be true?

After taking a year off from blogging—and rarely choosing to peruse the blogs of others—I’ve returned and caught up. I decided to read through my previous 63 postings on this site, to which I was mostly impressed, but also had moments of deep embarrassment. I am prone to error and should not be trusted. If any are to come to the same conclusions as me—which I doubt (at least not until the third watch)—it will not be due to any doing on my part. The elect will uncover the truth in due time of the Lord. The mysteries of God are unfolded by the power of the Holy Ghost, not by an anonymous blogger.

The amazing thing, however, that I’ve discovered about the online Mormon community is that oftentimes in which I read something particularly profound, it is usually regarding something I’d already discovered in my own studies. To see someone else putting my thoughts and impressions into words has given me a quiet assurance that I am not alone and that I am on the right track.

There is much to be gained by sharing our personal perspectives so long as no one is claiming to be a prophet.

Even people we consider completely deluded can be of value in understanding the scriptures more fully if we try and understand their point of view and figure out at which point they erred in doctrine. One wrong turn and there’s no telling what dangerous conclusions one can arrive at based on false assumptions.

I challenge anyone who reads this—and vehemently disagrees—to point out which false assumptions I may have. I will not be discouraged, but encouraged to explain my positions better or to even rethink them entirely. I in fact dubbed this paper as a redux to the post which easily caused me the most embarrassment as I revisited my previous postings.

I was very proud of myself for having put the Elijah controversy, in my mind, to rest. Rethinking my assumptions was a difficult band-aid to rip off, but doing so will always be necessary in the search for truth.

We are not to have a “testimony” of every little thing that pops into our minds. Being dogmatic is what allowed the LDS church to transfigure almost every single doctrine of the restoration. The unwillingness of LDS members to question their beliefs has placed or kept them in a state of, “hidden darkness.” (2nd Nephi 3:5) The darkness is hidden—unapparent to them—because they wrongfully believe themselves to be living in the light of the fulness of the gospel.

The point of this tangent is to prep you for what is now to follow.

When I began this blog I was careful to shy away from delving into the atonement statute of Leviticus 16, mostly because its implications are too bizarre to comprehend let alone explain. Here I am going to dive straight in and do my very best to make as much sense as possible, God permitting.

The train of thought that has led me to write this post began five years ago when I was reading through The Book of Mormon for the first time on my mission. Although I’d read the BoM many times before, on my mission I was then reading it through the lens of someone who believed it to be an authentic record that contained the immutable and perfect word of God. Everything in it had purpose. I hung off every word and took what it said seriously to the fullest extent I could.

I suspect that most readers of the BoM shrug off the things contained in it that don’t make immediate sense to them. What doesn’t fit in with their religious worldview is attributed to wrong-doing on their part. They think the problem is them and that they aren’t understanding the scriptures correctly.

3rd Nephi chapter’s 20 and 21 speak of the marred servant who is the suffering servant of Isaiah 53, who is understood to be Jesus Christ. However, Christ speaks of the suffering servant not as himself but as a man who will declare the fulness of the gospel!

This is the greatest piece of evidence that multiple atonement’s pertain to the plan of salvation. Someone other than Christ would have their, “soul [as] an offering for sin.” (Isaiah 53:11)

Before my mission I had come across the blog onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com and familiarized myself with the controversial belief that the atonement statute of Leviticus 16 was a type and shadow of what occurred with the deaths of Joseph and Hyrum and the subsequent excommunication of Sidney Rigdon. I found the premise interesting but rejected the idea as what I deemed to be a perfect example of “looking beyond the mark.”

Little did I know that one day I would embrace the theology wholeheartedly—and even, perhaps, take it a step further.

When I realized that Christ himself spoke of the suffering servant as a separate individual I had no choice but to consider the possibility that an atonement other than the great, infinite and eternal atonement of Jesus Christ was necessary in God’s plan to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

As Abinadi taught in Mosiah 14 and 15, Jesus Christ was indeed the suffering servant of Isaiah 53, but this relates to the first watch. When Christ came to the Nephites he declared that all things spoken by Isaiah, “have been, and shall be.” (3rd Nephi 23:3) In other words, Isaiah would be re-fulfilled.

The puzzle of Leviticus 16 is not evidence enough to prove an atonement offering was made in the latter-days, because Leviticus 16 came to fruition even in the meridian of time.

In the atonement statute, three animals are to be sacrificed while one animal remains a living sacrifice to bear the iniquity and be cast into the wilderness.

John the Baptist was the bullock, the first offering.

Judas was the goat to have its blood spilled, while John the Beloved/Revelator was clearly the scapegoat who did not die but lived in exile.

Christ, of course, was the ram/sheep/lamb who accompanies the statute as the burnt offering.

The Bible was immaculately designed to give the deceived a false impression that no further word of God is necessary. However we verily know The Book of Mormon to be an authentic work of scripture. And by believing this to be so we must come to the conclusion that a servant in the last days—who the kings of the world will shut their mouths to—will make his soul an offering for sin. Leviticus 16 therefore comes to fruition in both the first and second watch.

The suffering servant of Isaiah 53 is described as:

marred

a root

an arm of the Lord

a lamb

One can make a good case that it is Sidney Rigdon. This is because he is a root of Jesse and an arm of the Lord. The marred servant will also “declare” the marvelous work, which seems in line with Sidney’s role as the spokesman (Section 100) to declare what Joseph the seer brings forth as scripture. However, if we look at the atonement statute of Leviticus 16, Sidney is not a lamb, but a goat. He is clearly the scapegoat that does not die but is instead cast off into the wilderness. Rigdon therefore cannot be the suffering servant of the second watch because he is not the lamb of Leviticus 16.

David W. Patten was the bullock, first to die. He was martyred not unlike John the Baptist, and like John the Baptist was called to minister to the Jews as a member of the Twelve whose commission came after the Gentiles rejected the fulness of the gospel.

Hyrum was the goat. Like Judas, Hyrum chose his fate by deciding to turn himself in with Joseph to Carthage jail. And like Judas, it was Hyrum’s actions that lead to the death of the lamb.

The lamb is then Joseph; and as I’ve already established, the scapegoat is Sidney. The scapegoat is cast out of Israel into the wilderness by the hand of a “fit man” which most assuredly was Brigham Young who excommunicated Sidney and took dominion over the kingdom of the Jews.

Joseph even said that he was going to Carthage jail, “like a lamb.” (D&C 135:4)

Evidence that Joseph was offering his soul as an offering for sin is hinted at in the first verse of Section 124, where the Lord says unto Joseph, “I am well pleased with your offering […] for unto this end have I raised you up, that I might show forth my wisdom through the weak things of the earth.

The other weak thing of the earth is Sidney Rigdon—who, not surprisingly, is told in the very same revelation, “to offer an acceptable offering,” (verse 104) by remaining with the people he clearly knew to be apostate. He carried the burden of their sins when they banished him to consume their lusts and go after other gods than the God of Israel.

In the past I believed the atonement of Joseph and Sidney and others was for the terrestrial souls who refused to be sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ and instead put their trust in their own works. The latter-day atonement was to preserve the Jews in a preparatory gospel which would enable them to receive a terrestrial glory rather than that of a telestial.

My realization that that the arm of the Lord is both Joseph and Sidney has made me reconsider this. Joseph and Sidney are extensions of the Lord, and the implications of that are too great to ignore. In Section 35, God refers to the weak things—Joseph and Sidney—as his very own arms, and that they will fight in behalf of God. “Their enemies shall be under their feet.” (verse 14)
This is reminiscent of Section 76, where God is to “subdue all enemies under his feet”—but this only occurs in the “fulness of times” when God has “perfected his work.” (verse 106)

God has not perfected his work!

Lehi speaks to his son, Jacob: “I know that thou art redeemed, because of the righteousness of thy Redeemer; for thou hast beheld that in the fulness of time he cometh to bring salvation unto men.” (2nd Nephi 2:3)

Although we can be redeemed and receive the promises of salvation during any point of time within the earth’s temporal existence, this is due to the works of God wrought in the first, second, and third watch. It appears that it is only in the third watch—the fulness of times—that God completes his work of salvation.

Before dying on the cross, Christ’s last words were, “It is finished.” But notably, Christ expounds on this in Section 19: “I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.” (verse 19)

Amulek prophesies that the sacrifice which is infinite and eternal will not be a sacrifice of man, implying that what differentiates Christ’s atonement from the atonement of Joseph is that Christ was not a man, he was God. Christ did not have mortal blood! (JST John 1:13) The other important thing Amulek brings up in Alma 34 is that the blood of man cannot atone for the sins of another.

The atonement of Joseph Smith was not to atone for sins, but was because of sins.

Nevertheless, God was manifesting himself through this offering to show forth his wisdom to us in hidden darkness that we may understand how to receive salvation in the dispensation of the fulness of times when it is clear that we have not been sanctified during this time of apostasy.

Ether 12:27: “And if men come unto me I will show unto them their weakness. I give unto men weakness that they may be humble; and my grace is sufficient for all men that humble themselves before me; for if they humble themselves before me, and have faith in me, then will I make weak things become strong unto them.

If we learn humility and have a saving faith in Christ, weak things will become strong unto us. And what are the weak things? Joseph and Sidney!! Our weaknesses were expertly reflected in the mortals of Joseph and Sidney.

We will not be sanctified until we exercise the same faith as the brother of Jared. (Ether 4:7) Joseph and Sidney exercised this faith but due to the iniquity of the early Saints—and all of us—the weak things were not made strong in the second watch.

When we have rended the veil of unbelief and repented of our iniquity, the weak things of the earth will fulfill their missions and bring salvation unto us, perfecting the work of God.

1 Nephi 11 explains that the condescension of God was his ministry as Jesus Christ in the meridian of time. 2nd Nephi 4 refers to this condescension as one of mercy. 2nd Nephi 9 then lets it slip that there are multiple condescension’s of God.

Section 88 teaches there are three laws: the law of mercy, the law of justice, and the law of judgment. If God’s first condescension was of mercy, does it not make sense to conclude that two more condescension’s would occur, one in the spirit of justice and another in judgment? Is Joseph Smith’s life an example of God’s justice, reflecting unto us the reality of having not accepted the law of mercy through a saving faith?

“We like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.” (Isaiah 53:6)

We have not been born of God and continue to sin, and this is a result of not coming unto Christ and accepting the mercy and grace that comes through relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save.

“If the day cometh that the power and gifts of God shall be done away among you, it shall be because of unbelief. And wo be unto the children of men if this be the case; for there shall be none that doeth good among you, no not one.” (Moroni 10:24-25)

The day prophesied of Moroni has come. We live in a time where the power and gifts of God are not on the earth, where none doeth good. We are not living under the law of mercy. The daily sacrifice of a broken heart and a contrite spirit (D&C 59) has been taken away as prophesied by Daniel.

Joseph Smith did not die that we may be forgiven of our sins. That was accomplished by Christ. However, Joseph took the justice of God upon himself by acting out our sins and dying justly for them. Isaiah 53:11 implicitly states that the marred servant will justify many. It does not state that he will bring mercy and grace.

For committing iniquity the Davidic servant was chastened by God through the stripes of men (2nd Samuel 7:14) and now resides in hell. Through those stripes we have the opportunity to be healed (Isaiah 53:5) but only once the marred servant himself is healed and once again brings salvation to the world through faith in the atoning blood of Christ.

D&C 97:2: “I, the Lord, show mercy unto all the meek, and upon all whomsoever I will, that I may be justified when I shall bring them unto judgment.

Joseph Smith has justified us that we may be converted and healed by the Lord’s mercy at a further time after having rejected him. This is particularly relevant to those of us who are very likely the descendants of the Jews who collectively crucified Christ and suffer from the curse in which our ancestors put upon us.

“His blood be on us and our children.” (Matt 27:25)

We are only free from generational curses if we seek the Lord with all of our heart and soul and are obedient to his voice. (Deut 4:29-30) Being honest with myself, I’ve concluded that I have not done this. Just as the Jews rejected Christ and the Gentiles rejected him again in the second watch, I too have rejected him. Even during our time of apostasy where the holy order and ordinances thereof are not to be found on the earth, we are still accountable for not rending the veil of our unbelief when we have a knowledge of the fulness of the gospel. It appears in Ether 12:27 that the weak things becoming strong is contingent on us having a true faith Christ.

We are not relying on Joseph and Sidney to save us. They are relying on us! “If there be no faith among the children of men God can do no miracle among them.” (Ether 12:12)

Joseph Smith took the justice of God upon himself on behalf of those that have continually rejected Christ while Joseph himself did not. Having rejected Christ’s infinite and eternal atonement, we definitively deserve the justice of God, but we have been justified by Joseph and will either humble ourselves and become meek to receive mercy, or we will be brought unto judgment.

“The life of my servant shall be in my hand; therefore they shall not hurt him, although he shall be marred because of them. Yet I will heal him, for I will show unto them that my wisdom is greater than the cunning of the devil.” (3rd Nephi 21:10)

The marring and healing of God’s anointed servant is to show forth God’s wisdom! Which is exactly what God relates when he accepts Joseph’s offering in Section 124: “I am well pleased with your offering […] for unto this end have I raised you up, that I might show forth my wisdom through the weak things of the earth.”

The 1828 Webster dictionary defines marring as, “To injure; to hurt; to impair the strength or purity of.

The purity of Joseph Smith was impaired by the atonement offering he made after the world rejected the sanctifying power he offered. Instead of being translated and leaving the corrupted vineyard behind, he made an intercession, telling the Lord of the vineyard to, “Spare it a little longer.” (Jacob 5:50)

Had Joseph and Sidney gone forth in power during the second watch to put all enemies under their feet, that would have included the entire world and nearly all of the Saints. Right now we are to, “Be subject to the powers that be, until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet.” (D&C 58:22)

Curiously, it is in that same revelation that Sidney Rigdon is assigned to consecrate and dedicate the land of Zion for the temple. Why was Sidney given this role and not Joseph? Because this is to be accomplished in the third watch, and it is in the third watch that Sidney will act as Christ/Elias as one who has been identified as an arm of the Lord.

D&C 49:6: “[Christ] will reign till he descends on the earth to put all enemies under his feet, which time is nigh at hand—”

This is clearly another condescension of God. Referring back to the 1828 Webster dictionary, the word condescension is defined as: “Voluntary descent from rank.”

Christ will reign in the heavens until he descends on the earth, and will not reign again until all enemies are subdued.

With that said, will Jesus Christ literally come down to the earth and subdue the enemies? Is not that the duty of the weak things of the earth? What if Christ condescends by virtue of the servants he has deemed as his two arms?

Section 36: “I will lay my hand upon you by the hand of my servant.” (verse 2)

This is a curious doctrine which informs us of Christ’s ability to infuse himself within a mortal to perform the functions of the priesthood. According to Section 84, Esais received the priesthood under the literal hand of God, but with Section 36 in mind it’s clear to see that the hand of God is through the indwelling of Christ in the mortal who performs the ordinance.

What is stopping Christ from indwelling inside tabernacles of flesh during other missions and ordinances?

I do not hesitate to suggest that Christ did in fact dwell in Joseph and shared in his experiences as he acted out the sins we are all responsible for. Due to God’s inability to commit sin, he would need a mortal vessel to understand what it is like to commit iniquity.

When Revelation 11 speaks of the latter-day stage for the two prophets in America, John identifies the location as, “where also our Lord was crucified.” (verse 8)

If you are of the belief that the two prophets will in fact emerge out of America and not the old world it becomes clear that John was hinting that the Lord was not only crucified in in ancient Jerusalem but again in the Jerusalem of the United States—the land surrounding that which has been designated as Zion.

Of course Joseph was not crucified, the favoured practice of the Jews, but killed by the weapons of choice which define the culture of gentile-America. To be gunned down is the contemporary equivalent of being crucified.

Due to the justice of God, Joseph was cast into hell as prophesied by God unto him in Section 122: “The very jaws of hell shall gape open the mouth wide after thee.” (verse 7) However, “He shall see of the travail of his soul.” (Isaiah 53:11)

After God chastens the Davidic servant by the rod of men we are told that God’s mercy does not depart from him. (2nd Samuel 7:15)

Joseph Smith will return to the earth to fulfill his mission. He is the angel of Revelation 7 who has been given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel. This angel is described as ascending. Why would Joseph ascend and not descend from heaven? Because he is not in heaven and will be ascending from the deep. (D&C 122:7)

Sidney, on the other hand, will not be ascending in light of the prophecy of Section 49: “He descends on the earth to put all enemies under his feet.” (verse 6)

In the third watch, God will condescend in the person of Sidney Rigdon. After having condescended in mercy as Jesus Christ, in justice through Joseph Smith, he will once again condescend through his second arm in bringing judgment.

Section 124 prophesies that the atonement offering of Sidney Rigdon would result in him lifting up his voice on the mountains.

Isaiah 18:3 speaks of an ensign being lifted on the mountains, which is a clear reference to Sidney. He is the one to raise the ensign, which is elaborated on even further in Section 113. The Root of Jesse is, “a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days.” (verse 6)

Because we know Sidney raises the ensign we know that the Root of Jesse is not Joseph.

The root of Jesse holds the priesthood and keys of the kingdom by right, which is why I infer the passage, “until he reigns whose right it is to reign, and subdues all enemies under his feet,” (D&C 58:22) to the man Sidney Rigdon, due to the undeniable evidence that he is the one to raise the ensign.

So the next question becomes: Why does Sidney have a right to the keys of kingdom and not Joseph?

This is because of their true identities as individuals who have lived through a previous mortal probation. Joseph did not receive the keys of the kingdom individually until he received them in 1836. Before that point he held them jointly with Frederick G. Williams by virtue of Sidney Rigdon within the Presidency of the High Priesthood.

It is only once Sidney Rigdon joins the church that the Saints are informed they have the kingdom! (D&C 35:27) Before stating that, two verses earlier it’s said, “Israel shall be saved in mine own due time; and by the keys which I have given shall they be led.” (verse 25)

This puzzled me, because Joseph did not receive the keys to gather Israel until Section 110, but in Section 35 those keys have apparently already been given. But that is because Sidney already held those keys!

Would he have gotten them any other way than Joseph did? I don’t think so.

The final necessary keys of the kingdom are dispensed by Moses and John the Baptist/Elijah (Elias). Although Christ ordained his apostles unto the Melchizedek priesthood, they were visited by Moses and Elias on the mount of transfiguration for reasons not made clear in the New Testament accounts.

In Section 110, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery are visited by the same two angelic prophets, only this time we learn for what purpose. They are given the keys to gather Israel by Moses while John the Baptist commits the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham.

In the past I have assumed that the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham was a downgrade from the fulness of the gospel, but have rethought this completely. The gospel of Abraham is integral to the fulness of the gospel as it pertains to the gathering of Israel under the full authority of the keys of the kingdom.

If my assumption is correct that Moses and John the Baptist were endowing Joseph and Oliver with the same gifts they gave to Peter, James, and John, there is no reason to think the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham represents a lesser dispensation.

The Book of Abraham can be viewed in light of Section 110 to provide the clues necessary in understanding the true meaning behind the elusive gospel of Abraham. The patriarch is told, “Thou shalt be a blessing unto thy seed after thee, that in their hands they shall bear this ministry and Priesthood unto all nations; And I will bless them through thy name; for as many as receive this Gospel shall be called after thy name, and shall be accounted thy seed, and shall rise up and bless thee, as their father.” (2:9-10)

John the Baptist is Elijah who is to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers, so of course it is John the Baptist who commits the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham! But the purpose of it is to bear that ministry and priesthood unto all nations which can only be done through the keys of gathering Israel.

Remember that Section 110 carefully explains that the keys of gathering Israel were given specifically to Joseph and Oliver and the dispensation of the gospel of Abraham is only stated to have relevance to to them respectively.

Returning back to Abraham 2: “This right shall continue in thee, and in thy seed after thee […] shall all the families of the earth be blessed, even with the blessings of the Gospel, which are the blessings of salvation, even of life eternal.” (verse 11)

The Abrahamic gospel has the power to bless the nations with the blessings of salvation of life eternal! This is no preparatory gospel. The gospel of Abraham is synonymous with the fulness of the gospel. Those that received the everlasting covenant of the fulness previous to April 3rd 1836 (Section 110) did so because Sidney Rigdon already held those keys and had been given the Abrahamic commission to bear the ministry, “unto all nations.” (Abraham 2:10)

“As many as shall come before my servants Sidney Rigdon and Joseph Smith, Jun., embracing this calling and commandment, shall be ordained and set forth to preach the everlasting gospel among the nations.” (D&C 36:5)

Until Sidney entered the picture, the church did not have the commission to preach the gospel unto the nations.

Joseph and Oliver were told that their gifts to translate would, “bring to light this ministry.” (D&C 6:28)

What ministry was God referring to? The existing ministry of Sidney Rigdon which both Joseph and Oliver were not yet aware of!

Before Joseph and Oliver received the priesthood by the hand of Elijah—as promised by Moroni (D&C 2)—to organize the Church of Christ, Rigdon had already been sent forth, “even as John, to prepare the way before me, and before Elijah which should come, and thou knewest it not. Thou didst baptize by water unto repentance, but they received not the Holy Ghost.” (D&C 35:4-5) It is assumed that the reason Rigdon did not bestow the Holy Ghost is because he did not have the priesthood authority but I will show this to be false. The following verse reads: “But now I give unto thee a commandment, that thou shalt baptize by water, and they shall receive the Holy Ghost by the laying on of the hands.” (verse 6)

The Lord does not tell Sidney to first be ordained by the authority held by Joseph and Oliver. He is called immediately to begin the laying on of hands for the Holy Ghost. Edward Partridge was thereafter ordained an elder by Sidney Rigdon, even though Sidney himself was never ordained an elder as far as I am aware.

So how did Sidney have the keys of the kingdom? The only sensible explanation is to propose that Sidney Rigdon is John the Beloved, and that he received the keys from Jesus Christ, Moses, and John the Baptist.

Before I explain this I want to turn to JST John 1.

When the Jews ask John the Baptist who he is, he does not deny that he is Elijah, but confesses, “I am not the Christ,” which puzzles them. They ask, “How then art thou Elias [Elijah]?”

The Jews believed Elijah was to be the promised Messiah!

This is why John says, “He it is of whom I bear record. He is that prophet, even Elias.”

John the Baptist refers to Christ as Elias because this is how the Jews will understand. As a true prophet, he is speaking to the people according to their understanding. (2nd Nephi 31:3) This is key in solving the Elias controversy.

Christ says, “Who is Elias? Behold, this is Elias, whom I send to prepare the way before me.” (JST Matt 17:13)

Just as John the Baptist identified Christ as Elijah, Christ identifies all who prepare the way before him as Elijah. But neither are literally Elijah. Elias—the Greek translation of Elijah—is a title promulgated for feeble minds to one day comprehend that which they currently don’t.

Elias will always mean Elijah, but due to the Jews limited understanding—and our own—Elias has become slang for a preparatory servant and for the Christ of all three watches. Jesus was Elias of the first watch; Joseph Smith was Elias of the second; and Sidney Rigdon will be the Elias of the third watch. Section 77 describes the angel ascending from hell as Elias in verse 9 and then refers to John the Beloved as Elias as well in verse 14.

The Lord and his two arms are the restorer of all things. They have all been dubbed as Elias, even though none of them are Elijah as Elias implies.

Section 77: “Q. What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things.” (verse 14)

The little book eaten by John was an ordinance that tasted sweet as honey but was bitter in the belly. This is not referring to his role as the scapegoat in both the first and second watch, but as his role as Christ in the third watch. Christ drank from the bitter cup (3rd Nephi 11:11) and when God goes forth as a mighty man (Isaiah 42:13) the man in which Christ indwells will retain the memory of the bitterness Christ suffered.

Once John realizes the bitterness of the ordinance and mission given unto him, it is related to his calling to once again prophesy before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. (Rev 10:11) Although many are prophesied to preach unto every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, Sidney Rigdon was given a direct commission unto the kings of the earth in Section 124:107 alongside the marred servant (and William Law who will be another great man of the last kingdom).

In Sidney’s patriarchal blessing he is told, “Thou shalt receive an ordination not many days hence which shall surpass all human understanding.” Clearly, Joseph Smith Sen. was filled with the spirit of prophecy! This ordination must have been the mysterious ordinance mentioned in Section 77:14. Christ had to have ordained Sidney—most likely through the instrumentality of Joseph—to be the Christ of the third watch.

If Sidney Rigdon is in fact John the Beloved who restores all things and holds the keys of the kingdom why is Joseph Smith necessary at all? The Rod of Jesse does not have nearly as many qualifications as the Root of Jesse. (D&C 113) The difference between the Rod and the Root is that the Rod is of Ephraim.

Joseph’s mixed lineage of Judah and Ephraim is what makes him entirely necessary.

The apostles asked Jesus after his resurrection, “Wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6) Jesus responded that it was not for them to know the time in which he would do so.

What the apostles understood was that they were descendants of Judah, Levi, and Benjamin—the tribes of the southern kingdom of Judah—and that the keys of the kingdom, which they held, would need to be shared with someone of Ephraim—of the northern kingdom of Israel—according to the words of the prophets.

“For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the Mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the Lord our God. […] They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them. […] For I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my first born.” (Jeremiah 31:6-9)

Jacob prophesied that all the tribes of Israel would bow down to the fruit of the loins of Joseph from generation to generation. (JST Genesis 48:10) The apostles knew that a second act needed to take place in which the keys of the kingdom were to be given unto Ephraim. Joseph Smith, a descendant of Ephraim, received these keys, and this is why he holds the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel, because they are to bow down unto him.

Jacob tells his son Joseph, “For thou shalt be a light unto my people, to deliver them in the days of their captivity, from bondage; and to bring salvation unto them, when they are altogether bowed down under sin.” (JST Genesis 48:11)

This is the role of Joseph Smith, who brings the righteous branch of Israel, “out of darkness unto light—yea, out of hidden darkness and out of captivity unto freedom.” (2nd Nephi 3:5)

Joseph Smith is Joseph of Egypt. Understanding Joseph to be the servant of the vineyard in Jacob 5 indicates that his ministry began long before the first watch, when the wild olive trees (Gentiles) were first grafted into the olive tree of Israel. Joseph Smith did this as Joseph of Egypt by marrying a Gentile woman.

Joseph brings salvation unto men, and began this by first bringing to light an existing ministry, even that of Sidney Rigdon. Sidney is therefore synonymous with salvation. I will also show he represents the kingdom of God and is the embodiment of the new and everlasting covenant.

“I have sent mine everlasting covenant into the world, to be a light to the world, and to be a standard for my people, and for the Gentiles to seek to it, and to be a messenger before my face to prepare the way before me.” (D&C 45:9)

I’ve incorrectly interpreted that passage to refer to Joseph (https://themarvelouswork.com/2017/01/10/the-prophet-pt-1-the-new-and-everlasting-covenant/) but Section 35 makes it clear that it was Sidney who was sent forth, “to prepare the way before me.” (verse 4)

Between Isaiah 11:1 and 41:6 we have all the keywords of Section 45 as it pertains to the Root of Jesse. He is a covenant, a light, a standard, and when he raises the ensign the Gentiles will seek after it.

Although Sidney was sent as John, an Elias-preparer, to prepare the way for Joseph, the Christ/Elias-restorer, in the third watch Joseph is the Elias-preparer to prepare the way for Sidney the Christ/Elias-restorer.

2nd Nephi 2:3: “In the fulness of time he cometh to bring salvation unto men.”

With all of this in mind, in closing let’s turn to Revelation 12 via the Joseph Smith Translation.

This chapter has been endlessly contested and usually raises more questions than provides answers. But with everything I’ve come to realize and now presented in this post, I find the chapter to read smoother than ever before.

Through the lens of the KJV Bible it makes the most sense to interpret the woman travailing in birth as Israel and the child she brings forth as Jesus Christ. But the JST says the woman is the church of God. (verse 7) How could the church of God exist and bring forth Christ when it is Christ who should be bringing forth the church? Therefore, the man-child born of the church is not Jesus. In fact, the text never explicitly purports this. The man-child is said to one day, “rule all nations with a rod of iron,” but is, “caught up unto God and his throne.” (verse 3) The rod of iron, according to 1 Nephi 11:25, is the word of God, and the word of God is Jesus in the flesh. (JST John 1:16)

If you believe the child to be Jesus, verse 3 of JST Rev 12 would then read: And she brought forth Jesus Christ who was to rule all nations with Jesus Christ.

So who could the man-child be?

It has to be John the Beloved, a member of the church of God who was caught up to heaven and did not experience death until the second watch. Jesus remarked cryptically that John would not taste of death until he saw the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. (Mathew 16:28)

John did see the Son of Man [as Joseph Smith] coming in his [John’s/Sidney’s] kingdom before he tasted of death! Keep in mind that the man-child is also referred to as the kingdom of God. (verse 8)

JST Revelation 12:1-5 relates to the first watch. Thereafter, the war in heaven occurs.

Section 50 purports that false spirits have gone forth in the earth, (verse 2) but it is only until Section 52 that we learn that Satan himself is abroad in the land! (verse 14)

This is because Satan was cast down to the earth during the Morley Farm conference which ended the day before Section 52 was given. It was during this conference that Joseph reported, “The man of sin was revealed, and the authority of the melechisedec priesthood was manifested and I conferred, the high priesthood for the first time, upon several of the elders.”

When Satan is cast down to the earth in JST Rev 12:8, the following verse says, “Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ.”

The blessings of salvation that accompany the kingdom of God return to the earth on the same day that Satan is cast down! Also keep in mind that the woman is the “church of God” and not the Church of Christ. The Church of God emerged on the earth with the restoration of the Melchizedek priesthood and it is only this church which offers sanctification.

“When the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman [the Church of God] which [had] brought forth the man-child [in the first watch]. Therefore, to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might flee into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.” (13-14)

The Church of God was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time—or in other words, three and a half years—from the face of the serpent. Forty-two months after salvation came through the Melchizedek priesthood, the Saints broke the new and everlasting covenant. The fulness of the priesthood, in which the Church of God operates, was lost from the earth and Satan overcame the Saints.

“They received not the love of truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” (2 Thess 2:10-11)

“ And now if this generation do harden their hearts against my word, behold I will deliver them up unto Satan.” (Book of Commandments 4:6)

Before the Second Coming, “there shall come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God.” (JST 2 Thess 2:3-4)

Section 38 informs the church that the enemy is combined with the Saints and that a plan against them, “is had in secret chambers,” to bring to pass their destruction. (verse 13) Brigham Young was intimately involved with Masonry before uniting himself with the restored church. Did a secret combination involve Brigham working his way up the ranks of Mormonism until he took complete control?

Brigham Young would administer the masonic endowment unto the church membership in the corrupted Nauvoo temple. During this ceremony, Brigham would position himself in the role of God. Those initiated into the ceremony are told by Satan, “If they do not walk up to every covenant they make at these altars in this temple this day, they will be in my power!”

Regardless as to how sinister or oblivious Brigham was, the fact remains: God had delivered his people over to Satan. Without the sanctifying power of Christ’s authority, no one will be able to keep the commandments; and thus all who have entered into the covenants made in secret chambers are under the power of Satan.

“When ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” (Ether 8:24)

Awakening to a sense of this awful situation is the first step in removing oneself from the false traditions of our fathers. The next step is to learn the true nature of God, and thus begin to exercise a true faith in Christ which will bring about the miracles and works of God that will usher in the fulness of times and the redemption of Zion.

-G.azelem

Polygamy, A Horror Story

As I came to understand the things of Mormon history, it became apparent to me that I would one day put it all into writing.

I wanted my blog to be a shadow of Alma 37. The prophecy tells us that in the last days there will be a servant of God, named Gazelem, who exposes the things of darkness.

I of course do not claim to be this servant, but I’ve wanted my blog to have that same calling.

Mark 4:

22 For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.

Right now in the world we have people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden. They are doing a fantastic job at exposing corporations for what they really are, as well as bringing to light the countless war-crimes committed in the name of American government.

They are doing what Gazelem will, only Gazelem will be revealing things on an even grander scale.

Wikileaks has just barely scratched the surface.

Recently, there is now a Mormonleaks.

https://mormonleaks.io/#about

Since its inception, I’ve been anticipating each release of whatever document ends up in their hands. There’s no telling what nuggets of truth will come from that website. The inner-workings of the LDS church is full of hypocrisy and lies.

Because of Mormonleaks, we know for certain the thing we always suspected: there IS a paid ministry. From what I’ve gathered, the apostles are raking in a six-digit salary on top of all their perks.

But the LDS church no longer interests me.

It was rejected of God by 1842. It’s a miracle that it has somehow sustained itself after everything that happened when Brigham, John, and Wilford were presidents.

Besides, we don’t need Mormonleaks to expose the things that the scriptures have already made clear.

The Gentiles rejected the fulness of the gospel, as told to us by Christ in 3rd Nephi 16.

It’s as simple as that.

However, Mormonleaks provides some interesting context, and will no doubt have an effect on blind Israel. Some will finally realize that their shepherds have been scattering them, not gathering them.

Heavy burdens have been put on the backs of the membership.

However, the need for a prophet and community has conjured Denver Snuffer into the spotlight.

The Saints are not leaving the church in favor of what the scriptures teach. They are leaving because of bullshitters like Grant Palmer, Jeremy Runnells, and, of course, Davey Snuffer.

This morning I perused Grant Palmer’s anti-Mormon book, “An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins,” and was blown away by how ridiculous it is.

I originally read it as a non-believer, and thought it was thoughtfully written.

Now I find all his contentions absolutely laughable.

He was an institute director for the LDS church for 35 years. You’d think all that studying would have opened his eyes to the truthfulness of God’s word.

In his disillusionment of the church, his faith has fallen to pieces. He claims to still believe in Christ, but he does not know Christ.

Christ says, “My sheep hear my voice.”

When the Lord speaks, his sheep hear it!

Anyone that rejects the Book of Mormon, or the revelations of Joseph Smith, are not in the fold of God.

Likewise, anyone that believes in false prophets, are not the sheep of Christ, but the sheep of the devil. (Alma 5)

I of course hope that many will recognize the error of their ways and accept the fulness of the gospel when the times of the Gentiles comes in for the last time–

Just because someone is deceived, doesn’t mean they don’t have a chance.

We all fall short in one area or another.

I am by no means righteous. I might understand the scriptures better than most, but that doesn’t make me better than anyone.

Yet righteousness is the standard in which we all need to be striving for.

I was blasted by a Snufferite who told me that I should not point out Denver Snuffer’s flaws. Prophets aren’t perfect, right?

Some are, actually.

In any case, Mosiah 23 says,

14 And also trust no one to be your teacher nor your minister, except he be a man of God, walking in his ways and keeping his commandments.

Denver Snuffer is not of God.

Those of God are not deceived; they recognize the voice of the Lord. Denver rejects Section 110, which contains Christ speaking. He has also broken the commandment of monogamy and remarried. He is not a man of God, and therefore I will not trust him as my teacher.

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When I was beginning to have the scriptures illuminated before me by the spirit of revelation, I realized that Section 132, and polygamy in general, was entirely false.

By the spirit of revelation, I finally understood this passage of Isaiah… “In that day seven women shall take hold of one man…”

In my younger years, I used to think that was evidence for the truthfulness of polygamy. I now understand what Isaiah was actually saying:

1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

2 In that day shall the branch of the Lord be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy,

The beautiful branch of the Lord is not the polygamists, but those that ESCAPED Israel!

So I knew that polygamy would make a comeback, and when it did, the holy ones would escape and be in Zion/Jerusalem.

I used to think that the LDS church would bring back polygamy.

But I no longer believe this to be the case. Polygamy is going to pop its head back up, but it won’t be the LDS church.

I’ve now been saying for almost two years that Denver Snuffer will bring back polygamy; or, at very least, allow it to occur.

Mormonleaks has brought an interesting document to the table.

https://mormonleaks.io/wiki/index.php?title=File:Stake_President_Reports_Apostasy.pdf

Snufferites are engaging in spiritual wifery!!!!!!

Of course, these “sealings” are “spiritual”.

They’re just doing what they believe Joseph did!

Denver has taught repeatedly that Joseph had himself sealed to multiple women.

However, he teaches that Joseph did not engage in sexual relations.

That was Brigham Young’s style, not Joseph’s.

Because of Snufferites belief in Denver’s teachings, they believe that Joseph Smith did not commit adultery, but that multiple sealings are ordained of God.

In the Snufferite movement it will become common-place to have yourself sealed to multiple others.

It’ll be “spiritual” – but eventually there will be sexual incidences. When this happens, Denver will not speak against it. He will give the people exactly what they want.

Denver will also introduce esoteric rituals into his temple.

Not the ones Brigham introduced, he says, but the endowment that Joseph revealed! Denver will finally bring it back… uh-huh.

The Snufferites believe that Joseph Smith did not fall from his station as prophet. They think he was teaching truth when he sealed himself to multiple women, introduced endowment ceremonies, and taught the King Follet Sermon.

Because they refuse to accept the cold hard truth about Joseph, they are going to fall for the exact same crap that the Nauvoo saints fell for.

History repeats itself.

And all of it will be made known.

Alma 37:

23 And the Lord said: I will prepare unto my servant Gazelem, a stone, which shall shine forth in darkness unto light, that I may discover unto my people who serve me, that I may discover unto them the works of their brethren, yea, their secret works, their works of darkness, and their wickedness and abominations.

Those that serve Christ, will know the truth of all things.

God will discover unto us all the secret works of darkness that are being committed by our brethren.

-G.azelem

Doctrine of Denver Conference pt. 3

A popular phrase amongst Snufferites is that the Lord has set his hand again the second time.

At the conference, Paul Durham said, “I bear witness that the Lord Jesus Christ has set forth His hand the second time in our day to recover His people.”

Let’s look at where this phrase originally comes from….

Isaiah 11:

10 ¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

With Section 113, we learn that the root of Jesse is a servant of God:

5 What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th chapter?

6 Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days.

In my last post, I explained how the root of Jesse is actually Sidney Rigdon.

https://themarvelouswork.com/2017/03/23/doctrine-of-denver-conference-pt-2-qa/

Isaiah 11:1 explains that the “Branch” prophet is synonymous with the root of Jesse.

Sometimes I think Warren Jeffs understands the scriptures better than Denver Snuffer… Warren released his own ensign to the nations while in prison, even claiming to be the spokesman! Davey Snuffer keeps saying that the Lord has set his hand again, yet where is the ensign? Who is the root of Jesse???

I am positive that Sidney Rigdon is the root, and we need to be waiting for his ensign. Another piece of evidence that this is the case is by comparing Isaiah’s description of the ensign, to the role of Sidney Rigdon as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants.

Isaiah 18:

3 All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye.

Now let’s look at Section 124:

104 And if he will offer unto me an acceptable offering, and acknowledgments, and remain with my people, behold, I, the Lord your God, will heal him that he shall be healed; and he shall lift up his voice again on the mountains, and be a spokesman before my face.

Sidney Rigdon will be healed, and lift his voice on the mountains!

This was a conditional promise, though.

Did Sidney Rigdon offer an acceptable offering? He was commanded to remain with the people– Did he do this?

YES!

Joseph Smith was running around sleeping with women—even trying to get with Sidney’s daughter—and yet Sidney NEVER SPOKE OUT against Joseph.

If the prophet of the church was trying to get with my daughter, I think I would run town.

However, Sidney followed the commands of God! He remained with the people.

After Joseph died, the church turned against Sidney and excommunicated him.

Sidney Rigdon was the scapegoat offering that Leviticus 16 outlines. Being tossed out of the church was part of his acceptable offering.

He was the true successor to Joseph/Hyrum.

The church should have heeded him. The church was told in Section 124:

45 And if my people will hearken unto my voice, and unto the voice of my servants whom I have appointed to lead my people, behold, verily I say unto you, they shall not be moved out of their place.

Going to Utah was a result of not hearkening to God’s true servants!! Had they listened to Sidney, they would not have been moved out of their place!

To me, it’s all so obvious.

To further clarify, we can identify exactly where the mountain is that the ensign will go forth.

It is Kirtland.

That is the mountain of the Lord’s house.

One of the most ridiculous things that Denver Snuffer said during this conference is that God still hadn’t appointed the new place of gathering.

HOW RIDICULOUS IS THAT!

Section 101:

20 And, behold, there is none other place appointed than that which I have appointed; neither shall there be any other place appointed than that which I have appointed, for the work of the gathering of my saints—

There is not going to be a newly designated place!!!!

Section 84:

4 Verily this is the word of the Lord, that the city New Jerusalem shall be built by the gathering of the saints, beginning at this place, even the place of the temple, which temple shall be reared in this generation.

The gathering will begin in Kirtland.

That’s where the solemn assembly will be, and the endowment of power, which will enable God’s servants to go forth FOR THE LAST TIME and gather the elect from the four corners of the earth.

When this happens….

Then you can start saying the Lord has set his hand again the second time.

-G.azelem

Doctrine of Denver Conference

Things were starting to cool off in the Mormon world.

Denver Snuffer sure keeps us bloggers busy.

The last interesting thing to happen was when DS released his ridiculous rendition of The Book of John.

Watcher destroyed it here: https://onewhoiswatching.wordpress.com/2017/03/04/the-record-of-john-the-baptist-deconstructing-the-denver-snuffer-revelation-on-st-john/

I am now going to destroy Denver’s words at his conference.

Currently, on the website, they only have the audio—no transcripts available yet—so I had to drudge through 2+ hr of audio. Denver’s voice is so boring and un-illuminating, I hope you know it took a lot of willpower to listen to it all. It’s almost as boring as General Conference.

I know the majority of my readers believe Denver to be a prophet. You guys have thick skin to keep reading my blog. I don’t mean to alienate you, and I hope you forgive me for speaking evil against your anointed.

The first bomb-shell that Denver drops during his talk is that the “fulness of the scriptures” is available.

http://scriptures.info/Scriptures

This new set of scriptures does some interesting things: it includes the Lectures on Faith (a no-brainer) and it also includes revelations by Denver himself and little bonus things that Joseph said that DS has decided to canonize.

Much like Brigham Young with Section 130, Denver Snuffer has decided to canonize the words of Joseph Smith that he never intended to canonize. Everything that Joseph revealed had to be kept in check by Sidney Rigdon. The Lord knew Joseph would speak presumptuously, which is why he gave him a spokesman, to keep him in line with the Word of God.

Joseph taught many erroneous things.

It’s a bold thing to proclaim yourself to have the same calling that Sidney Rigdon did.

Section 132—the doctrine have plural marriage—was never given to Sidney Rigdon to do his regular check-up. This is why it was never canonized. Had Sidney read it, he would have thrown it into a fire.

Denver has not removed Section 132, but has “revised” it, as Section 54. He removed the uncomfortable bits, but it proves what I’ve said time and time again: Denver believes in polygamy.

In Passing the Heavenly Gift, he wrote that by marrying Fanny Alger, Joseph completed his Abrahamic sacrifice, which gave him the sealing power. This, I of course find ridiculous.

Denver, being so full of wisdom, added something of his own into the Book of Proverbs– which makes no sense at all, since that’s the Old Testament, like seriously WTF

He says, in their scripture edition, Proverbs 10:23 “The eternal union of man and woman is a return to Eden before the Fall. The Temple and the ordinances found there are, for us, the return to Eden before the Fall and the completion of creation through the union of man and woman in an infinite covenant.”

Denver still believes in the Nauvoo temple ordinances! He is going to restore these in his new temple. http://www.thetemplefund.net/

By including his own 132, he proves that he has not changed his mind on this matter. He may play softball and say Joseph was not sleeping with his wives, but he believes Joseph was commanded by God to take multiple wives nonetheless.

[The women he married claimed to have had sex with Joseph. But they were just lying apparently.]

At the end of Snuffer’s address, he says polygamy is adultery. But he only rejects polygamy “of men;” he does not reject polygamy “of God.” Whatever is going on in “your skull”—he says, in regards to polygamy—is wrong, but what God says on the matter is something he is keeping to himself.

He believes polygamy was commanded by God as an Abrahamic sacrifice. He is going to say exactly what Brigham said…. I didn’t want to practice polygamy! It was the last thing on my mind! But the Lord commanded it, and I had to do it!

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If you take the word of God seriously, you take the calling of Sidney Rigdon seriously.

The Pearl of Great Price was canonized by apostates, not Joseph and Sidney.

Denver Snuffer, if he had the same calling as Sidney Rigdon, would have dissolved the “POGP” and separated the Book of Abraham as a singular book.

But Denver is just as bad as Brigham Young and Orson Hyde. He is canonizing things that were never meant to be canonized. This is just as bad as de-canonizing the Lectures on Faith.

The Wentworth Letter, Joseph Smith History…

Those are not scripture!

Denver’s new scriptures are a MESS.

Section 133 was supposed to be the appendices of the D&C. Denver has it listed as Section 21.

They’ve even included the ridiculous Section 126—to them, Section 167—which Brigham Young obviously made up.

*facepalm

Where was the discernment there? How did this movement not know that Section 126 was a lie of BY? Probably because they don’t have the Spirit of God.

I could go on…

Okay one last one: NO SECTION 110!!!!!!!

One of the most important and valuable revelations… REMOVED… Yike-a-rumba…

Section 110 is a no good, but the revelation on polygamy and the Nauvoo Temple ordinances are okay.

Riiiiiiiight.

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At about fifty minutes into Denver’s talk, he says that the Work of the Father has already commenced.

I have blogged about this here: https://themarvelouswork.com/2016/12/07/the-mysteries-of-the-kingdom-pt-4-the-first-trump-and-the-wheat-and-the-tares/

The Marvelous Work and a Wonder must occur FIRST.

The Work of the Father only commences once the first trumpet blows and the tares are burned.

1 Nephi 14:

17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.

Denver Snuffer does not understand the scriptures if he believes the Work of the Father has commenced.

The Marvelous Work must occur first, to gather the wheat (Gentiles) out from the tares. Once the wrath of God/tribulation occurs, THEN the Work of the Father commences in gathering all the dispersed of Israel.

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In their “Pearls of Great Price”, Denver drops another huge bomb-shell…

On the 10 th day of September, 2011 the word of the Lord said to me, You shall no longer be called Denver, but your name shall be called David.”

!!!!!!!!

Denver has fully established his position as the Davidic servant of the end-times.

Riiiiiight.

I’ll start calling him Dave Snuffer from now on, hahaha.

-G.azelem

If I Were a Prophet pt. 3 “If I were a prophet…”

If I were a prophet, I would quote Section 29 and explain that God’s elect must be gathered to ONE place before the great tribulation goes forth.

If I were a prophet, I would claim to have no authority to gather God’s people, that the gathering will be under the direction of the First Elders of the church, who must return from the dead to complete their missions.

If I were a prophet, I would tell everyone to be watching and waiting for the return of the Lord’s servants, the First Elders, to whom Section 29, 84, and 88 are written to.

If I were a prophet, I would explain that the endowment is the baptism of fire, the High Priesthood, not a ceremony.

Furthermore, I would explain that God’s people must go to Kirtland, Ohio to receive the endowment.

If I were a prophet, I would prophecy that the 144,000 will be sealed to the High Priesthood in Kirtland,Ohio, and that they will give the final warning to all nations.

If I were a prophet, I would tell you that the Lord has not yet set his hand again the second time. I would tell you that this happens only once the Lord has made bare his holy arm. I would expound that the Lord’s arm is Joseph Smith; and that he is the one to gather the people and put the Marvelous Work into motion.

Once the Marvelous Work gathers the elect from the four quarters of the earth to Nauvoo, they will be caught up into the air to be with the Lord.

The earth will then be consumed with fire.

After this, the New Jerusalem will come down from heaven and build up the waste places of Missouri, and build Zion for the millennium.

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But I am not a prophet.

I could be wrong, could be right.

There are billions of people on the earth. I would be hard-pressed to find five people that agree with the above statements.

Nevertheless, they are what I believe.

I really wish Mormonism was not true, and I could live a normal Christian life, but this is the light I have received.

If I reject further light, the light I have will be taken from me. (Alma 12; D&C 1)

So I continue to wait.

I have put my faith in the word of God. This is where it has lead me.

I have no church, no friends, no family, that think the same.

For now, I stand alone. All I have is faith that God’s word will come to pass.

-G.azelem

The Priesthood pt. 1 “Nobody Holds the Melchizedek Priesthood — Sorry, Not Sorry”

Section 50 was given to the “elders” of the church. They had all been ordained Elders, which comes UNDER the Melchizedek priesthood.

Being an Elder is not the same as holding the Melchizedek priesthood.

See Section 107:

63 Wherefore, from deacon to teacher, and from teacher to priest, and from priest to elder…

64 Then comes the Highest Priesthood, which is the greatest of all.

Section 50 was given to the elders of the church who had not received the fulness of the priesthood.

In that section, God puts forth a question.

The question is: “unto what were ye ordained?”

He then says, “ye shall answer this question yourselves.”

Meaning God is not answering the question–

We are to answer it.

Unto what have we been ordained? Do we hold the Melchizedek priesthood, or are we just elders?

16 Behold ye shall answer this question yourselves; nevertheless I will be merciful unto you; he that is weak among you hereafter shall be made strong.

I believe the Lord is telling the first elders and us that we must admit we have not been ordained to the fulness of the priesthood. Yet in our weakness, as elders, we will made strong as high priests!

God says, “he that is ordained of me and sent forth to preach the word of truth by the Comforter, in the Spirit of truth, doth he preach it by the Spirit of truth or some other way? And if it be by some other way, it is not of God.” Verse 17-18

Those that are not ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood are not OF God!

He that receiveith of God, let him account it of God, and let him rejoice that he is accounted of God.” Verse 34

Who are OF God?

The sons of God!!!!

How do you become a son of God? By receiving a baptism of fire.

The Melchizedek priesthood is the baptism of fire.

After Adam was baptized by fire, he entered the Melchizedek order.

Moses 6:

66 Thou art baptized with fire, and with the Holy Ghost…

67 Thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years.

This is the same terminology for the high priests in The Book of Mormon.

Alma 13:

8 …. taking upon them the high priesthood of the holy order, which calling, and ordinance, and high priesthood is without beginning or end–

9 Thus they become high priests forever, after the order of the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, who is without beginning of days or end of years.

11 Therefore they were called after this holy order, and were sanctified.

We know that sanctification occurs with the reception of the Holy Ghost, a baptism of fire.

So when someone receives the baptism of fire, the other Comforter, they are part of the holy order of God.

THAT is the Melchizedek priesthood.

Section 50 says that, “he that is ordained of God… is possessor of all things… but no man is possessor of all things except he be cleansed from all sin.” Verses 26-28

You need to be cleansed from all sin before you are ordained of God.

The elders were told in Section 50 that they, “cannot bear all things now.” Verse 40

This is evidence that the Melchizedek priesthood was not yet given to the church!

It was only until the Morley Farm Conference in June 1831 that the Melchizedek priesthood was restored to the earth.

As Elders/Apostles of the church, they held the KEYS of the Melchizedek priesthood, but needed to receive a baptism of fire before being ordained to the fulness of the priesthood.

Section 52– received at the Morley Farm Conference– is to the elders of the church who have been called AND chosen. (Verse 1)

Being called is the calling to receive the ordination of Elder.

Being chosen is God choosing his servants to enter the holiest order of God.

Section 53 shines light on the distinctions between this. The revelation is to Sidney Gilbert, concerning his, “calling and election in the church.”

Sidney was called to be an elder, to PREACH faith and repentance. He was not yet ELECTED to ADMINISTER the gospel.

These are the first ordinances which you shall receive; and the residue shall be made known in a time to come, according to your labor in the vineyard.” verse 6

The next ordinance Sidney Gilbert would receive was an ordination to High Priest.

That was his calling and election/being chosen.

Once he received his calling AND election, he could do more than just preach; he could administer the saving ordinances.

So how do you make your calling and election made sure? This the question so many Mormons have stumbled around.

It as simple as this: Your calling and election is made sure when you receive the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth.

This happens through a baptism of fire.

That is the gospel. That is the doctrine of Christ.

2nd Nephi 31

17 … the gate by which ye should enter is repentance, and baptism of water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and and by the Holy Ghost.

18 And then are ye in this strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life.

We are only in the strait and narrow path if we have received a baptism of fire!!!!!!!

Receiving the baptism of fire puts us in the order which has no beginning of days or end of years.

Lastly, I want to take a look at Section 43 and it’s implications now that we understand what the Melchizedek Priesthood really is.

For verily I say unto you, he that is ordained of me shall come in at the gate.” verse 7

What is the gate?

The doctrine of Christ.

This I give unto you that you may not be deceived.” verse 6

Did the LDS church receive the teachings and leadership of someone who did not come in at the gate, receiving a baptism of fire to be properly ordained?

Methinks…

yes.

Brigham Young did not receive sanctification like the first elders of the church.

He was only an Elder.

Section 20 tells us that an elder is the same as an apostle.

So Brigham being an apostle doesn’t count as coming in through the gate.

Who did come in at the gate?

The first elders of the church!

They are who Section 84 and 88 are speaking of.

Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of Promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John. The Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom.”

88:3-4

The Comforter is the Holy Spirit of Promise!

Those that enter into the celestial kingdom must receive the Holy Spirit of Promise.

Section 76:

52 That by keeping the commandments they might be washed and cleansed from all their sins, and receive the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands of him who is ordained AND sealed unto this power.

53 And who overcome by faith, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise.

57 [they] are priests of the Most High, after the order of Melchizedek…

We need to receive the Holy Ghost by someone who is ordained AND sealed unto that power.

To be sealed unto that power is to receive the Comforter, which is what the first elders received, and the original Twelve Apostles, as well as the Three Nephites & others.

We cannot receive a baptism of fire until someone who has already received a baptism of fire lays their hands on us.

Being an Elder is not enough to administer the gospel in power. It is only enough to PREACH the gospel.

We must be watching for those the Lord has properly ordained. Those that have come in at the gate, been baptized, and received the one and only Comforter, the Spirit of Truth.

When the final servants go forth to bind up the law of consecration among the (true!) Saints, they will also seal us up to eternal life the way Joseph sealed up the first elders as recorded in Sections 84 and 88.

-G.azelem

Houses of God pt. 6 “Far West”

My views on temples is completely different than that of nearly anyone.

I have determined that there are three types of houses of God. I’ve classified them as such:

House of God

House/Temple of God

Temple of God.

Read the series to understand how I came to these conclusions.

Houses of God pt. 1 “The Fulness of the Gospel”

https://themarvelouswork.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-1/

Houses of God pt. 2 “Kirtland”

https://themarvelouswork.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-2-kirtland/

Houses of God pt. 3 “Nauvoo”

https://themarvelouswork.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-3-nauvoo/

Houses of God pt. 4 “The Redemption of Zion”

https://themarvelouswork.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-4-the-redemption-of-zion/

Houses of God pt. 5 “The Temple of Doom”

https://themarvelouswork.com/2017/01/05/houses-of-god-pt-5-the-temple-of-doom/

[Note: I recognize the series is kinda long. I recommend reading at least part 3-5 for context.]

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In my opinion I have proven (though I changed no one’s mind) that it was the Nauvoo HOUSE that needed to be built in time before the church was rejected, and not the Nauvoo Temple.

I believe this is important, because Denver Snuffer is building a temple and not a house when a house needs to first be built in order to receive the fulness of the priesthood.

I reached out to Snufferites to challenge me, and none did.

The Anarchist of https://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/ however took me for a fool.

He believes my contention to be laughable.

He also believes that the Nauvoo Temple was accepted by God.

I find THAT laughable. He thinks that an unfinished temple was enough to appease God.

This is what the Lord says about his houses:

Let them from that time forth labor diligently until it shall be finished, from the cornerstone thereof unto the top thereof, until there shall not anything remain that is not finished.

-Section 115:12

So to me it sounds like God isn’t interested in unfinished temples.

Joseph Smith said this: “Don’t deny revelation. If the Temple and Nauvoo House are not finished, you must run away. Our salvation depends on it.”

The Nauvoo Temple was not finished. The historical record PROVES THAT.

This is what Brigham Young said in admittance:

I met with the Council of the Twelve in the southeast corner room of the attic of the Temple. We knelt around the altar, and dedicated the building to the Most High. We asked his blessing upon our intended move to the west; also asking him to enable us some day to finish the Temple, and dedicate it to him, and we would leave it in his hands to do as he pleased; and to preserve the building as a monument to Joseph Smith. We asked the Lord to accept the labors of his servants in this land. We then left the Temple.”

Immediately after Brigham’s prayer, the temple caught fire and went up in flames.

This happened in 1846.

Even by then, they never finished the freaking temple…

The historical record shows that the apostles built a masonic temple and built themselves expensive brick houses during the time in which they should have put all efforts into the Nauvoo House and Temple.

The Nauvoo Temple was never accepted by God.

That should be sufficient to prove that the church was rejected by God by this time.

I take it a step further and say the church was rejected by 1842. I also take it another step further and say that the Nauvoo House was what was being commanded of God to build during that appointed time in Nauvoo.

My ideas make things more complicated and harder for people to digest, but they are nonetheless true. All my ideas support the fact that the masonic endowment and polygamy were ploys of Satan. My conclusions let everything fall into their proper place.

I also believe that the Nauvoo Temple was defiled by its occult symbols as well as the Moroni statue. The Kirtland House/Temple, which was accepted by God, had none of that.

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Now with all of this mind, in regards to Far West I want to mention something I’m suspecting about Section 115.

I believe that in order to understand the D&C we have to remove ourselves from the historical context of each revelation.

For instance:

The Saints believed Section 124 was referring to the Nauvoo Temple– because that’s where they were doing baptisms for the dead– and the Saints believed Section 84 was referring to the temple in Missouri, not the Kirtland House/Temple.

We have to mystically observe God’s word without using the hindsight of an apostate church!

Section 115 gives the commandment to build a House in Far West–

Or does it?

I believe Section 115 was never meant to have anything to do with Far West.

Perhaps Joseph and the Saints believed it was, but I believe it was a foreshadowing of the future.

This is speculative, and I don’t really feel like explaining it. I can’t even get people to believe anything else I’ve written about temples! Email me and I’ll entertain you:

theworkofthefather37 @ gmail . com

This is the last I will write in this series.

Perhaps I will write a part seven when I receive word that we must go to the Kirtland House/Temple for the solemn assembly as part of the marvelous work and a wonder….

Until then, yours truly:

-G.azelem

Houses of God pt. 5 “The Temple of Doom”

It’s pathetic just how excited I get about the Snufferite movement and all their ridiculous attempts to please God.

They now have a Temple Fund– on gofundme.com no less!

https://www.gofundme.com/the-temple-fund-project

Oh boy here we go…

Those following Snuffer– and yes they are following him– have some serious blind spots.

I have laid out every reason why the Snufferite movement is not God setting his hand again the second time…

I have not received a single rebuttal. The snufferites love their prophet and the fuzzys they get listening to his BS.

Denver Snuffer is Satan’s modern day masterpiece.

A polygamy preaching racist like James Harmston isn’t gonna do the trick anymore.

You need someone who claims Joseph never commited polygamy…

That’s the kind of thing that believing Mormons need to hear if they’re gonna leave the corporate LDS church.

[With that said, I don’t actually care if anyone stays or leaves the LDS church.]

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This post I am going to explain why Snuffer’s temple is BS.

Is this going to change the mind of any potential Snufferite??

Nope–

they are just like the Mormons who refuse to read anti-Mormonism because it might damage their testimonies…

But for someone like me, who years ago was torn between all the many voices in the world, I think it may prove useful.

Before reading any further, please take a look at the previous posts I’ve done about temples:

Part One: the fulness of the gospel

https://theworkofthefather.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-1/

Part Two: Kirtland

https://theworkofthefather.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-2-kirtland/

Part Three: Nauvoo

https://theworkofthefather.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-3-nauvoo/

Part Four: the redemption of zion

https://theworkofthefather.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/houses-of-god-pt-4-the-redemption-of-zion/

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I feel like I need to reiterate something very important that I covered in Part Three of this series.

A huge controversy in Mormondom is whether or not the church was rejected by God.

Did the Saints finish the temple in Nauvoo or did they not?

I made the case that they didn’t. But I also made the case that it was never the temple that they were commanded to build in time.

They were commanded to build the Nauvoo House! That DEFINITELY wasn’t built in time; it basically wasn’t built at all – LOL

Honestly, I am very quite proud of the series I wrote. I wrote those on my mission. It still boggles me how I was able to wrap my mind around the temple controversies.

Anyway, enough gloating.

Why is it significant that it was the House not the Temple being commanded in Section 124?

Because the Snufferites still don’t know the difference between the two!

This proves that Denver doesn’t know what he is talking about; and his attempt to build a “temple” will not be in accordance with God’s will.

I have explained the difference and meaning between the houses of God.

House of God = for ordinations to fulness of priesthood (and baptisms for dead)

House/Temple of God = for sanctification

If Denver was legit, he would be building a *House of God, not a temple, to ordain people to the fulness of the priesthood.

THEN they would build a house/temple to receive sanctification which would enable them to be in the presence of the Lord.

They should be creating a fund for both a House and a Temple to receive the fulness of the gospel.

However, Denver claims he already holds the fulness of the priesthood AND he claims he’s already seen our Lord…

What an idiot. What’s the temple even for?

Oh yeah, a stupid masonic cermony…

I’m now going to break down Section 124 in detail to prove what should be obvious.

23 And it shall be for a house for boarding, a house [the Nauvoo House] that strangers [seed of Abraham/strangers in a strange land] may come from afar to lodge therein; therefore let it be a good house, worthy of all acceptation, that the weary traveler may find health and safety while he shall contemplate the word of the Lord; and the cornerstone I have appointed for Zion.

24 This house shall be a healthful habitation if it be built unto my name, and if the governor which shall be appointed unto it shall not suffer any pollution to come upon it. It shall be holy, or the Lord your God will not dwell therein.

25 And again, verily I say unto you, let all my saints come from afar.

26 And send ye swift messengers, yea, chosen messengers, and say unto them: Come ye, with all your gold, and your silver, and your precious stones, and with all your antiquities; and with all who have knowledge of antiquities, that will come, may come, and bring the box tree, and the fir tree, and the pine tree, together with all the precious trees of the earth;

27 And with iron, with copper, and with brass, and with zinc, and with all your precious things of the earth; and build a house to my name, for the Most High to dwell therein.

28 For there is not a place found on earth that he may come to and restore again that which was lost unto you, or which he hath taken away, even the fulness of the priesthood. [still referring to the Nauvoo House!]

29 For a baptismal font there is not upon the earth, that they, my saints, may be baptized for those who are dead—

30 For this ordinance belongeth to my house, [Nauvoo House….] and cannot be acceptable to me, only in the days of your poverty, wherein ye are not able to build a house unto me. [Saints no longer in poverty; therefore, they must build the temple before performing baptisms for the dead and/or receiving the fulness of the priesthood.]

31 But I command you, all ye my saints, to build a house unto me; and I grant unto you a sufficient time to build a house unto me; and during this time your baptisms shall be acceptable unto me. [during this time regular baptisms are acceptable, NOT baptisms for the dead]

32 But behold, at the end of this appointment your baptisms for your dead shall not be acceptable unto me; and if you do not these things at the end of the appointment ye shall be rejected as a church, with your dead, saith the Lord your God.

33 For verily I say unto you, that after you have had sufficient time to build a house to me, wherein the ordinance of baptizing for the dead belongeth, and for which the same was instituted from before the foundation of the world, your baptisms for your dead cannot be acceptable unto me;

34 For therein are the keys of the holy priesthood ordained, that you may receive honor and glory.

35 And after this time, your baptisms for the dead, by those who are scattered abroad, [the future LDS church] are not acceptable unto me, saith the Lord.

Okay….

To me it is clear as day that this is the Nauvoo House not the Nauvoo Temple. There is no change of subject at any point in those verses. One more piece of evidence is verse 22, “Let my servant George, and my servant Lyman, and my servant John Snider, and others, build a house unto my name, such a one as my servant Joseph shall show unto them, upon the place which he SHALL show unto them also.”

Before Section 124 was received, they were already building the Nauvoo Temple.

The Nauvoo House needed to be shown them!

Verses 51-55 refer to the Nauvoo Temple.

Then Verse 56 goes on and talks about the Nauvoo House for another thirty verses… That’s what Section 124 teaches. What does Denver teach?

Snufferites, where are you?

Tell me where I’m wrong.

-G.azelem

False Prophets pt. 2 “Brigham Young”

Brigham Young is a different kind of false prophet than Denver Snuffer. There are two kinds. One false prophet comes wearing sheep’s clothing, and the other comes without.

Denver Snuffer was excommunicated from the church. He never had the cloak of authority.

Brigham Young, on the other hand, did have a priesthood calling. He had sheep’s clothing.

Now, my contention is that his priesthood calling was NOT the priesthood calling that many believe him to have had.

Brigham Young had authority, but not the authority that allowed him to reign over God’s people.

While the LDS have forever believed him to be one of the Twelve Apostles, I, myself, do not believe he was ever such a thing.

I do not believe the Twelve Apostles were ever called to the earth during Joseph’s Smith ministry.

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Before the church was established, Joseph Smith received a revelation (D&C 18) that was for both Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer. They were given the duty of finding the disciples of Christ who would be the last days Twelve Apostles.

Just as there was Twelve Apostles in the meridian of time, there would again be Twelve Apostles walking the earth.

Imagine living in such a time as this. Imagine how exciting it would be to know that Twelve Apostles would again be called to declare the gospel to the world.

The interesting thing is:

Oliver Cowdery and David Whitmer would never find them.

They were told to “search out the Twelve, who shall have the desires of which I have spoken. And by their desires and their works you shall know them.” (D&C 18:38-39)

After this revelation, the church was soon established, yet the finding of the Twelve Apostles seemed to be put on hiatus. Even when the Melchizedek priesthood was restored to the earth in 1831, they STILL did not ordain the Twelve.

Were they uninspired? Or slothful?

No.

According to God, they were both called to the same calling as that of Paul! Oliver and David were prophets of God and were doing exactly what God wanted them.

Nearly six years later after being told to search out the Twelve, they FINALLY ordained a group of men to be apostles– including, of course, Brigham Young.

This happened in 1835, after the fulness of the gospel had been rejected and lost from the earth.

So why did God want them to wait until 1835, when the fulness of the gospel/priesthood was no longer on the earth?

The Twelve ordained in 1835 were never ordained to be legitimate Twelve Apostles. Without the fulness of the priesthood, they would only be referred to as Twelve travelling councilors; or, simply, the Twelve.

When ordained in 1835, they were told by Oliver Cowdery, “Your ordination is not full and complete till God has laid his hand upon you.”

The Twelve that were ordained in 1835 would never receive a full ordination.

In D&C 112, we learn that these Twelve were not even yet converted to the gospel, full of temptation and sin.

Does this sound like the Twelve that Oliver and David were told to find: “the Twelve are they who shall desire to take upon them my name with full purpose of heart.” (v. 27)

Not to me, no.

Were BY and company the kind of disciples that the Lord Jesus Christ would call to represent him? If you read their sermons out of the Journal of Discourses, it’s not hard to realize how truly evil they were. They believed and did despicable things, all in the name of God.

They were told in Section 112 that if they didn’t stiffen their necks or harden their hearts, God would heal them.

I do not believe this was the case; they fell deeper and deeper into sin. Yet because of their priesthood calling, the Saints believed they were called of God to lead and guide them.

I could list all the evil practices and beliefs that the Twelve committed and perpetuated– and it would be such a long list– but that would be a distraction.

I want to return back to Section 18.

Oliver and David were told that by them God would work a marvelous work among the children of men. Because the Marvelous Work is still a future event, we know that Oliver and David will return to the earth.

As part of this work, Oliver and David will fulfill their calling. They will ordain the true Twelve Apostles unto the fulness of that calling, with the fulness of the priesthood.

These are the Twelve Apostles that will go into the world and do the things that the original Twelve Apostles once did.

Because I believe the Marvelous Work is about to occur, it is likely that Oliver and David are on the earth at this very moment… searching out the Twelve… who are walking amongst us, probably still unaware of the calling they are about to receive.

G.azelem