Will The Real Elijah Please Stand Up

Many nights on my mission, I laid in bed for hours thinking it through. I knew all the verses that pertained to Elias/Elijah, but could never wrap my mind around it.

Years later, I can finally say I have figured out the Elias controversy.

It all comes down to the Book of Malachi and understanding that everything in that book has already transpired!

Same with Daniel.

We are awaiting the fulfillment of prophecies from Isaiah, Ezekiel etc. but modern revelation proves that both Daniel and Malachi are done-deals.

Daniel, for instance, asks, “How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?” (Daniel 12:6) “What shall be the end of these things?” (verse 8)

He is told by the angel that, “it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.” (Daniel 12:7)

The prophecies of Daniel have all come to pass. They came to pass when Satan scattered the power of the holy people! This happened in late 1834, after a 3 and a half year period (time, times, and a half) when the holy people were gathered and held the power of God, the Melchizedek priesthood.

Bringing that up will surely create questions in readers minds, but this post is not about Daniel; I’m just using it as an example. Of course, I’m happy to answer any questions anyone has on it!

But now let’s review Section 110, and what it says about Malachi.

Section 110:

14 Behold, the time has fully come, which was spoken of by the mouth of Malachi…

To me, it is clear that by FULLY COME, the Word is making clear that the prophecy of Malachi has come to complete fruition.

I could write an entire post on the prophecy of Malachi, but I want to focus on Elijah.

Christians believe that John the Baptist is Elijah, and that the Book of Malachi was fulfilled during the ministry of Christ.

This makes no sense.

Elijah is supposed to come before the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

John the Baptist did not come before the great and dreadful day of the Lord when the wicked is turned to stubble; he came to prepare the way of Christ’s first coming.

Elijah precedes Christ’s SECOND coming.

[As a sidenote, one thing that had always bothered me was that Sidney Rigdon, in Section 93, was mandated to preach the acceptable year of the Lord, but in Luke 4:19, it says that Jesus fulfilled that Isaiah scripture….

What I never realized was that Jesus did not fulfill the scripture in its entirety… He only read the first couple verses of the prophecy, not the whole thing. He didn’t, “proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God,” he only proclaimed the acceptable year. Sidney Rigdon would fulfill that scripture during the acceptable year that precedes the vengeance of God!]

The JST makes it even more clear, but I want to simply refer to the KJV to prove the point that John the Baptist was not fulfilling Malachi.

The disciples asked Christ, “Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?” (Mathew 17:10)

Christ’s responds, “Elias truly SHALL first come, and restore all things.” (verse 11)

He also says, “that Elias is come already.” (verse 12)

So Elias/John the Baptist has already come, but Jesus says he SHALL come and restore all things.

Clearly, Jesus is saying that John the Baptist is Elijah, but he has not completed his mission.

Elijah is supposed to turn the hearts of the children to the fathers, and the hearts of the fathers to the children.

Section 98 has rendered:

children – Jews

fathers – Prophets

Did John the Baptist do these things?

Luke 1:17 says that John the Baptist, “shall go before him [Christ] in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children.”

Nothing is said about turning the hearts of the children to the fathers!

That’s because John the Baptist was unsuccessful in turning the Jews to the Prophets!

Jesus says the Jews, “knew him not.” (Mathew 17:12)

John the Baptist/Elijah would reach the Jews before the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

Like I’ve said in my last post, and in many other posts, the LDS church is gathering the Jews. The LDS church, because of the keys Elijah gave, is turning the hearts of the children/Jews to the fathers/Prophets, before the great and dreadful day of the Lord.

The interesting thing is that John the Baptist/Elijah was ordained to overthrow the Kingdom of the Jews. (D&C 84:28) I do not think John the Baptist did this during Christ’s time; I think that prophecy is referring to the LDS church. John the Baptist is going to overthrow the Kingdom of the Jews!

Won’t that be cool?

John the Baptist must do that to restore all things.

Remember, him restoring things has nothing to do with Malachi. Malachi makes no mention of any restoration.

It is only in the gospels that we are told Elias is to restore anything.

Malachi is fulfilled, but John the Baptist/Elijah isn’t done yet!

Let’s read Section 27:

6 And also with Elias, to whom I have committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets since the world began, concerning the last days;

7 And also John the son of Zacharias, which Zacharias he (Elias) visited and gave promise that he should have a son, and his name should be John, and he should be filled with the spirit of Elias;

8 Which John I have sent unto you, my servants, Joseph Smith, Jun., and Oliver Cowdery, to ordain you unto the first priesthood which you have received, that you might be called and ordained even as Aaron;

9 And also Elijah, unto whom I have committed the keys of the power of turning the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to the fathers, that the whole earth may not be smitten with a curse;

10 And also with Joseph and Jacob, and Isaac, and Abraham, your fathers, by whom the promises remain;

11 And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days;

I made “with” bold, because I want you to notice that the text is cryptically telling us that Elias is John and John is Elijah!

There is no differentiation of those three in Section 27. They are the same.

Elijah/Elias/John the Baptist has the keys to bring to pass the restoration of all things!

John the Baptist fulfilled Malachi in Section 110, and is ALSO going to restore all things as Christ said he would.

John the Baptist will overthrow the LDS church.

Many believe that Joseph Smith is Elias the restorer, but I do not believe this to be the case.

I believe John 1 speaks of three people:

  1. The Christ
  2. Elias
  3. that prophet

I believe Joseph Smith is “that prophet”.

Joseph Smith will redeem Zion and gather the tribes of Israel, but only once Elias (John the Baptist/Elijah) overthrows the Kingdom of the Jews to restore the Kingdom to Israel.

Jesus ministered to the Jews, but after his ministry, the gospel went to the Gentiles.

Joseph ministered to the Gentiles, but after his ministry, the gospel went to the Jews.

When Elias overthrows the Jews, he will be restoring the Kingdom to Israel again.

He will be restoring the authority back to Joseph Smith.

-G.azelem

14 thoughts on “Will The Real Elijah Please Stand Up

  1. Section 77 also talks about an Elias that is to restore all things.

    D&C 77:9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse?
    A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

    Then verse 14 seems to indicate that this Elias is John the Revelator. So maybe there are more than one Elias that is to restore all things?

    D&C 77:14 Q. What are we to understand by the little book which was eaten by John, as mentioned in the 10th chapter of Revelation?
    A. We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things.

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    • Steven,

      I think Section 77:14 is firing off a bit of a red herring.

      The whole Elias controversy exists because God never wanted people to figure this stuff out.

      JST says that Jesus is Elias, and in Section 110 we get another mysterious Elias dispensing the gospel of Abraham.

      The scriptures toss the word Elias around to make things confusing.

      -G.azelem

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  2. I like the clarification that the fathers are the prophets and the children are the Jews. This is not understood in the L.D.S. church. They take it to mean something else related to family history, sealing, and temple work. I wonder, what does it actually mean then to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers? If the L.D.S. are supposed to be the Jews, how do we turn our hearts to the Prophets? Does this mean turning to the scriptures and a full belief in Chirst like they had?

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    • The LDS church is absolutely nuts for thinking Elijah has to do with the sealing power.

      Temple work is one big, fat, joke.

      I think turning the hearts of the Jews to the Prophets is preliminary to believing in Christ. This is why Mormons don’t believe in Christ, as I detailed in my last post.

      However, you might be right. If our hearts are supposed to be like the hearts of the prophets, that would include a full belief in Christ. It’s a valid point.

      -G.azelem

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  3. Gazelem, if you do not accept that there is an implied “with” in “and also John” in v.7 “and also Elijah” in v.9, then I fail to see how those “and also” make any grammatical sense. Care to expound on those verses by showing verbosely what those “and also” refer to?

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  4. I may need you to write that full post explaining how the prophecy of Malachi is a done deal. I understand the part about Elijah, and you might assume that because that is the final prophecy of the book that everything before is also fulfilled, but what about:

    For behold, the day cometh that shall burn as an oven, and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly shall burn as stubble; for they that come shall burn them, saith the Lord of Hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.” (JS-H 1:37).

    I would also say the parts about robbing the Lord are still applicable today.

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  5. G. – While I agree with much that you and the Watcher teach, I still don’t think we have this Elias thing completely figured out. I get a very uncomfortable feeling every time I read a post claiming John=Elijah. So I did some more searching and below are 2-3 issues I have with this concept (John=Elijah)

    1) If you read D&C 110, Christ appears, then Moses, then Elias, then Elijah. Since Elias is the Greek version of Elijah, then are we really saying that Elijah appeared twice? Why the double appearing, why not just deliver both the dispensation of the Gospel of Abraham and the dispensation of turning the fathers to children and children to the fathers at the same time? It’s more dramatic with a robe-ward change? (sorry for the sarcasm, it’s the first thing that came to mind)

    2) Both of you and the Watcher reference the JST translation of John 1, where John “confessed, and denied not that he was Elias, but confessed, saying; I am not the Christ.” to reinforce the point that John is saying that he is Elias\Elijah but then leave out that when the Pharisees ask John how he is Elias, “And he said, I am not that Elias who was to restore all things.” (JST John 1:22) Which clearly indicates there is another Elias, or possibly that Elias is a title\calling.

    3) To reinforce point #2, If one continues to read JST John, in verse 27 the Jews ask John why he baptizes if he isn’t the Christ, or Elias who was to restore all things, neither that prophet. John’s answer is given in V28, “John answered them, saying, I baptize with water; but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; He it is of whom I bear record. He is the prophet, even Elias, who, coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose”
    This seems to indicate that Christ can also be referred to as Elias (also see JST John 1:30 where John personally identifies Jesus Christ as the one that comes after him but is preferred before him).

    I don’t have the answer, but if John confessed that he is Elias, and also testifies that Christ is Elias, then Elijah=Elias=John=Christ. But since John and Christ were both at the same place, at the same time, in two different bodies, then the above equation seems to indicate that it shouldn’t be taken literally, but there is a different meaning that requires more asking, searching and knocking.

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    • Yes, Elias is a title that can be attributed to Christ and John the Beloved and Abraham.

      But I believe Elijah is John the Baptist and the Elias that restores all things.

      I’m happy to hear that you are studying these things deeply for yourself and not taking my word for anything.

      Keep knocking and so will I.

      The watchmen will see eye to eye when the Lord brings again Zion.

      -G.

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  6. Problem 1:
    Multiple authoritative figures have born the Elias name-title, if we are to accept Joseph Smith’s early revelations as valid (at least until 1838). Suggesting that God is simply dropping false names to confuse his people throughout the restoration is a hasty cover for a tenuous assumption. Those who have born this name-title in ministry testified of Jesus through the Spirit of Prophecy, and were themselves the subjects of prior prophecy. The name means “Yahweh/Jehovah is God,” and Christ himself accepted this title, as the very God for whom the name testifies. At least four distinct Eliases with interwoven ministries have prepared and will continue to prepare the way of the Lord:

    Elijah/Elias the Tishbite (Meaning “Yahweh/Jehovah is God.” Same name, alternate transliterations by the KJV translators from Hebrew and Greek sources. Incredibly powerful mortal ministry, raising the dead, parting the river Jordan, confronting wicked kingmen, calling down fire to consume the works of false priests and the worship of false Gods. His post-mortal return to “turn the hearts” was prophesied by Malachi.)

    Elias Gabriel (Meaning “God is my Strength.” An Elias according to D&C 27:6-7. The one to whom the Lord has “committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets since the world began” who alone “visited and gave promise that [Zacharias] should have a son.” Reread those verses. “He (Elias)”–the person just discussed. Gabriel is no more “Noah” than Adam was “the only God with whom we have anything to do.” Those are false revelations from the Nauvoo apostasy and Brigham Young’s far-flung speculations. But he is the ONE whose pre-mortal name signifies “God is my Strength,” the One “who should come and restore all things” prophesied by the Savior (JST, Matthew 17:10–14.); the “One mighty among them” prophesied by Lehi (2 Ne. 3:24); the “ONE MIGHTY AND STRONG” to set the Lord’s house in order prophesied by Joseph Smith (D&C 85:7).)

    Elias John “the Baptist,” son of Zacharias (Meaning “Gift from God.” “And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias (Elijah), to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord” (Luke 1:17).” “More than a prophet” according to Christ (Matt. 11:9-15); an Elias to “prepare the way” but not the one to “restore all things” (JST Matt. 17:11-14). According to his own testimony: “I am not that Elias who was to restore ALL THINGS. And they asked him, saying, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.” (JST John 1:22). In my view, the holy priesthood was first revealed in this dispensation by “the hand” of John the Baptist acting in the Spirit and Power of Elias/Elijah, in partial fulfillment of Moroni’s modified prophecy of Malachi (D&C 2:1). John the Baptist’s mortal ministry was prophesied by Isaiah and by Nephi.)

    Christ Jesus (Meaning “The Anointed One to Deliver.” Jehovah in the flesh. The Redeemer and Savior of Mankind. John the Baptist testified of Christ: “He it is of whom I bear record. He is THAT PROPHET, EVEN ELIAS, who, coming after me, is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose, or whose place I am not able to fill; for he shall baptize, not only with water, but with fire, and with the Holy Ghost.” (JST John 1:28). His coming was prophesied by Isaiah, Zenos, Zenock, all the Holy Prophets (incl.those in the new world).

    Elias John “the Beloved/ the Revelator” Son of Zebedee (Meaning “Gift from God.” According to a revelation, “he has undertaken a greater work; therefore I will make him as flaming fire and a ministering angel; he shall minister for those who shall be heirs of salvation who dwell on the earth” according to Joseph Smith (D&C 7:6). In vision he ate the book pertaining to the mission of that Elias who would restore all things: “We are to understand that it was a mission, and an ordinance, for him to gather the tribes of Israel; behold, this is Elias, who, as it is written, must come and restore all things.” (D&C 77:14). John the Revelator’s mortal ministry was prophesied by Nephi)

    Joseph Smith (possibly an Elias?) ” Why do not my enemies strike a blow at the doctrine? They cannot do it: it is truth, and I defy all men to upset it. I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, “Repent ye of your sins and prepare the way for the coming of the Son of Man; for the kingdom of God has come unto you, and henceforth the ax is laid unto the root of the tree; and every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, God Almighty * * * shall hew it down and cast it into the fire.” (Joseph Smith, March 24, 1844, HC Vol. 6, Ch. 11, Pg. 273 [https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/volume-6-chapter-11]). His ministry was prophesied by Joseph of Egypt (JST Genesis 50:26-33)

    FULL CONTEXT OF SELECTED SCRIPTURES REFERENCED ABOVE:

    “11 And again I say unto you that Elias has come already, concerning whom it is written, Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and they knew him not, and have done unto him, whatsoever they listed.
    12 Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
    13 But I say unto you, Who is Elias? Behold, this is Elias, whom I send to prepare the way before me.
    14 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist, and also of ANOTHER WHO SHOULD COME AND RESTORE ALL THINGS, as it is written by the prophets.” [ JST, Matthew 17:10–14.]

    “20 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem, to ask him; Who art thou?
    21 And he confessed, and denied not that he was Elias; but confessed, saying; I am not the Christ.
    22 And they asked him, saying; How then art thou Elias? And he said, I am not that Elias who was to restore all things. And they asked him, saying, Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
    23 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
    24 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as saith the prophet Esaias.
    25 And they who were sent were of the Pharisees.
    26 And they asked him, and said unto him; Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not the Christ, nor Elias who was to restore all things, neither that prophet?
    27 John answered them, saying; I baptize with water, but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
    28 He it is of whom I bear record. He is that prophet, even Elias, who, coming after me, is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose, or whose place I am not able to fill; for he shall baptize, not only with water, but with fire, and with the Holy Ghost.” [ JST John 1:20-28]

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  7. Problem 2
    To believe John “the Baptist,” son of Zacharias to be the same spirit being as Elijah/Elias the Tishbite is to accept the doctrine of transmigration/reincarnation. The Kirtland-Era Prophet Joseph Smith rejected such notions. His encounter and repudiation of the doctrine of a Jewish teacher known as Matthias, as recorded in 1835:

    “Tuesday, November 10.—I resumed conversation with Matthias, and desired him to enlighten my mind more on his views respecting the resurrection.
    He said that he possessed the spirit of his fathers, that he was a literal descendant of Matthias, the Apostle, who was chosen in the place of Judas that fell; that his spirit was resurrected in him; and that this was the way or scheme of eternal life—this transmigration of soul or spirit from father to son.
    I told him that HIS DOCTRINE was of the devil, that he was in reality in possession of a wicked and depraved spirit, although he professed to be the Spirit of truth itself; and he said also that he possessed the soul of Christ.
    He tarried until Wednesday, 11th, when, after breakfast, I told him, that my God told me, that his god was the devil, and I could not keep him any longer, and he must depart. And so I, for once, cast out the devil in bodily shape, and I believe a murderer.” (HC Vol. 2, Ch. 22, Pg. 307 [https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/volume-2-chapter-22], emphasis added).

    In full disclosure, 1840’s Nauvoo-Era Joseph may have warmed to the idea of continued mortal probations, but seems to have employed it as a basis for justification of celestial polygamy. The Fall 1841 journal entry of Joseph Lee Robinson is informative:
    “My love for the Prophet Joseph Smith was truly stronger than death. It was greater than for any man that ever lived, except for Jesus, the first begotten of the Father.
    We heard him say a great many good things. One was that if the Latter-day Saints would hold fast to him or to his garments that he would pack or carry them safe into the celestial kingdom of God. We never doubted his word. We also heard him say that God had revealed unto him that any man that ever committed adultery in either of his probations that that man could never be raised to the highest exaltation in the celestial glory and that he felt anxious with regard to himself that he inquired of the Lord that the Lord told him that he, Joseph, had never committed adultery. This saying of the prophet astonished me very much. It opened up to me a very wide field of reflection. THE IDEA THAT WE HAD PASSED THROUGH PROBATIONS PRIOR TO THIS AND THAT WE MUST HAVE BEEN MARRIED OR GIVEN IN MARRIAGE IN THOSE PROBATIONS, OR THERE WOULD BE NO PROPRIETY IN MAKING SUCH AN ASSERTION, and that there were several exaltations in the celestial kingdom of our God. The highest exaltation we suppose to be the godhead…” (The Journal of Joseph Lee Robinson, Mormon Pioneer, Pg. 40 [https://archive.org/stream/JlrBasicJournal/jlr_basic_journal#page/n39/mode/2up/search/married]).

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  8. Hey,

    I really appreciate the amount of research into the scriptures that went into your above comments.

    However, I think your speculations are just as convoluted as my own.

    Lastly, you are presumptuous to think that I believe in multiple probations. I know it sounds like reincarnation, but that’s the wrong train of thought. Someone who has already been born of God (Celestial) can return to the earth to perform certain missions. It has nothing to do with getting a second chance.

    Thanks for reading my blog and taking the material seriously.

    -G.azelem

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  9. G.azelem,
    Thanks for your reply back. Yours is the first blog I encountered in my recent search for others with a testimony of the early Restoration who sense of the dire condition of the modern Church. Your writing is persuasive and your study has yielded great fruit.

    It appears your views align often with those of “onewhoissearching” and “onewhoiswatching.” I have learned much from them, but I contest their views on the reincarnation/transmigration/re-embodiment doctrine in the case of a translated Elijah the Tishbite entering the world again as a mortal, fallible John Son of Zacharias. I don’t see any precedent for a celestialized post-mortal being (resurrected or translated) entering into a mortal body a second time after having completed their first probation successfully. Brigham Young proposed such was the case with Adam, but Brigham Young was no prophet. A “Yankee guesser” perhaps. An effective president, but a highly inaccurate prophet.

    I acknowledge my rejection of the “Noah is Gabriel” pronouncement is a Latter-day heresy of sorts, but I can have no confidence in contradictory statements from the Nauvoo era which defy the simple fullness of the gospel revealed earlier. I find no way to read D&C 27:6-7 without the takeaway that the Elias who is to restore all things is the one in the very next sentence referred to as “he (Elias)” who made the announcement of John the Baptist’s coming to John’s father Zacharias.
    “…Elias, to whom I have committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets since the world began, concerning the last days; And also John the son of Zacharias, which Zacharias he (Elias) visited and gave promise that he should have a son, and his name should be John, and he should be filled with the spirit of Elias.”

    From Luke 1:11-19:
    “11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
    12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
    13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
    14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
    15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.
    16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
    17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
    18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
    19 And the angel answering said unto him, I AM GABRIEL, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.”

    The meaning of Gabriel’s name (“God is my strength”), and his positive identification in early latter-day revelation as the one
    to whom the Lord has “committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things,” are reasonable cause to suspect we haven’t heard the last of him.

    The research on the prophesied “One Mighty and Strong” as the one “who restores All Things” by LDS Anarchist is worth reading:
    https://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2017/07/26/john-the-revelator-is-not-the-elias-who-restores-all-things/#comment-39439

    The “One’s” prophetic mission requires humble beginnings, and a resurrected Noah starting out as a new person is not doctrinal.

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