The Prophet pt. 3 “Fallen Prophet”

“Fallen Prophet”

Joseph Smith was going to fall from his position as prophet and president of the church.

This was known from the very start of the second watch.

D&C 28:7 “For I have given him the keys of the mysteries, and the revelations which are sealed, until I shall appoint unto them another in his stead.”

Combine that scripture with D&C 43:

3 And this ye shall know assuredly—that there is none other appointed unto you to receive commandments and revelations until he be taken, if he abide in me.

4 But verily, verily, I say unto you, that none else shall be appointed unto this gift except it be through him; for if it be taken from him he shall not have power except to appoint another in his stead.

But wait…..

Didn’t Section 28 say that God was eventually going to appoint the revelations to someone in place of Joseph?

Section 43 says the only reason that would happen was if Joseph stops abiding in the Lord.

Therefore, God KNEW this would be the case.

The D&C cryptically proves that Joseph was foreknown by God to fall from his calling. It was part of God’s plan.

God knew it was going to happen. He even told Joseph in 1830, “if thou art not aware, thou wilt fall.” D&C 3:9

He was telling him to be AWARE. Pay attention. You’re going to fall. When that happens do the right thing—

Joseph tried telling the Saints he was no longer a prophet. He told the Saints to heed Hyrum. He even gave this curious announcement: “I’d rather be a fallen true prophet than a false one.”

That’s because he knew he’d fallen from his position!!

He returned to the darkness of his past. Back to witchcraft, (Jupiter Talisman anyone?), joined a secret combination (masonry!), and worst of all, he COMITTED ADULTERY.

Malachi 2: “My covenant was with him… they should seek the law at his mouth [law of the gospel, section 42], for he is the messenger of the Lord of Hosts…

The Lord hath been a witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou has dealt treacherously.”

Joseph Smith may have been a bit of a rascal with his masonic and occult hobbies, but cheating on the wife of your youth is kind of a big deal.

How did Joseph sink so low??? Christ explains:

Mathew 12:

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

When Joseph Smith lost the Spirit, he was under the influence of evil spirits x7.

Some people have been indoctrinated to think prophets are perfect.

Read Section 3:

4 For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.

Combine that with the prophecy spoken of by Nathan the prophet in 2 Samuel 7:

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son… [when] he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

Like I said in the first part of this series, by those stripes we are healed.

Joseph Smith did not atone for our sins… obviously…

But his atonement allowed us to have a chance at receiving the fulness, which sanctifies and heals us.

In the next part of this series I will explain why the suffering servant is Joseph Smith, not our Lord Jesus Christ, and what that means for us and the rest of the world.


6 thoughts on “The Prophet pt. 3 “Fallen Prophet””

  1. I am sorry but your assessment of Joseph is off. First not once did he ever agree or acknowledge that he had committed adultery ! In fact, he went to great lengths to defend his integrity. Not once did his wife ever accuse him, but also went to great lengths to defend him. I believe you need to read Joseph fought polygamy by the Price’s. If Joseph had done this, he would have admitted it

    Just because he was being warned, which is what god does when he knows the conspiracies that lay ahead, is not the same as it happening. Did you ever consider the literal interpretation that he would fall, as in death?


    1. Hey Pepper,

      thank you for visiting and for standing true to what you believe–

      I have studied mormon history seriously for four years and have certainly read Joseph Fought Polygamy by the Price’s. At one point I did believe that Joseph was completely innocent.

      I now believe that he simply had his eyes covered due to the iniquity of the people.

      I believe the testimony of William Marks, that he confessed to his crimes of polygamy and repented. That’s why he stopped taking wives during the last six months of his life.

      When he repented, there was a secret combination to overthrow him. Satan wanted polygamy to continue.

      The perspective that Joseph Smith was innocent of polygamy is frankly quite ridiculous.

      Why did William Law, Sidney Rigdon, and William Marks say he practiced polygamy when they had nothing to do with it??? They were in on it, too??? Why??? the polygamy revelation was read to the high council by Hyrum and Joseph and was rejected by Austin Cowles and Leonard Soby– what about them, were they in on it too??

      The curious thing about William Law is that he acknowledged Joseph received a revelation on polygamy, but that that revelation Joseph received is NOT what is Section 132.

      Joseph had a hand in the polygamy thing.

      but it was not his fault.

      Ezekiel 12 says that when people go to a prophet for questions, the Lord answered according the idols in their hearts. If the people wanted a license to commit whoredoms, the prophet must give it to them. That’s the biblical truth of prophets.



      1. Ezekiel 12 says that the Lord will not answer the actual inquiry of the wicked (should I be inquired of at all by them?) but He will respond by reproving the wickedness.

        This is the meaning of “I the Lord will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols”, i.e. the Lord’s response will ignore the actual inquiry, and instead the response will be concerning the wickedness of the inquirer. Or, in other words, His response will not be according to the actual inquiry but it will be according to (or concerning) the wickedness of the person.

        This is exactly what the Lord does in v.6 by proceeding to respond with regard to the wickedness of the inquirer. He reproves the wickedness and calls them to repentance “Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations”


  2. Hey jackdale,

    Considering you have idols in your heart of course you interpret it that way.

    You completely contradict the Lord. He says I’ll answer them according to the idols in their heart. You just said he WON’T answer them according to their idols.

    What about Deuteronomy 13?

    Thats a second witness to my interpretation of ezekiel 12.

    The Lord allows prophets to dupe people into believing BS. It’s part of him proving who the celestial are.

    The celestial need no prophet, unless that prophet is building Zion with the keys of the kingdom to do such.



  3. In Deut13:3 the phrase “for the Lord your God proveth you” does not mean that the Lord gave those prophecies/signs/wonders to the pretended prophet, otherwise, if the prophet was on the Lord’s mission, why does the Lord authorize to “put to death” the false prophet in v.5.?
    What the Lord means here is that he allows Satan to deceive men wherein they receive prophecies, manifest signs and wonders, even if those prophecies will turn out to be true. (because Satan can predict future events with a great degree of certainty given his vast knowledge) This is part of the Lord’s proving us.


  4. Agreed.

    It is Satan working those signs and wonders, but they are done by true prophets. The text does not say they are false prophets.

    Yes they are put to death. But God is not saying “put them to death” he is just acknowledging the fate of those prophets.



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